An inconvenient truth
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Al Gore says that he has ‘An Inconvenient Truth’ to tell.
What? You mean like the fact that you LOST the election Al Gore?
I?m sure plenty of my good Christian readers don?t know what I?m talking about, so I?ll explain. I?m sorry to say that Al Gore, not content with filling up our screens with liberal nonsense in the run up to the 2000 elections, has come out from whatever stone he crawled under back then and made a film about so-called ?climate change?. He?s called this propaganda piece ?An Inconvenient Truth? and not surprisingly, all kinds of liberals are going to see it.
More worrying, however, is the fact that some good Christians seem to have watched it too.
To avert the risk of these decent God-fearing people from being taken in by Gore?s fear-mongering nonsense slurry, and in case anyone else is tricked into seeing it, I?ve decided to post an analysis of the film.
Here is a typical still from An inconvenient Truth. What does this mean? Stop trying to baffle us with your junk science, Al Gore!
First of all, let me say that I haven?t seen this movie. I don?t intend to and I urge all my readers to avoid it as well. No doubt whingeing liberals will try and criticize this decision, but I say to them, you don?t need to catch a cancer to know it?s bad for you - and the same goes for drinking up poisonous liberal lies.
And make no mistake. It?s all lies. As I?ve already said, the biggest falsehood in this film is about so-called ‘climate change’. ‘Climate change’ is what the liberals claim is happening to this planet to scare good Christians into voting for them. They say that the world is getting hotter (the junk science technical term for this is ?global warming”) and say that if we don?t do something about it soon we will all be dead because of rising sea levels. They also say that this ?climate change? is caused by pollution. Suspiciously enough, they also claim that this pollution is caused by people living the American way by driving nice cars and not sitting in the dark at night. That’s right: the very way of life that liberals hate!
Al Gore, ugly as well as wrong.
Now the liberals have found a man to champion their campaign of lies and confusion: Al Gore, the man who put the vice into Vice-President (ha! ha! Vice means sinful too, just the right kind of description for Al Gore).
Al Gore, you’ve got a nerve telling us what to do! If we?d wanted you to do that, we?d have voted for you in 2000. As it was, the better man got more votes. So why are you bugging us with your opinions on things that no longer concern you??!!
Phew. Sorry, I always rant when I think about Al Gore too much.
This sick man is so desperate for attention that he?s even been crawling around our brave country giving talks and lectures about this global warming thing that isn?t happening. And small surprise, he?s been saying some pretty insulting stuff.
For instance, Gore blames hurricane Katrina on ‘global warming’. I?m sure Christian readers don?t need me to tell them that this is baloney and that that storm was God?s judgement on New Orleans for all its jazz clubs. But how sickening that Gore will use the loss of thousands of lives for political gain and to push a totally unrelated personal agenda!
New Orleans Jazz: What the devil likes to dance to.
How sickening too that Gore has turned to that stew of corruption, Hollywood to help get his message across and (if the rumors are right) to help launch his campaign to replace our current Mr President when his term of office is over.
Michael Moore. Another Hollwood liberal. Look at how fat he is. Disgusting!
What’s more, the details of Gore?s wacky theories aren?t as important as the motive behind them. Just think about it. How convenient would it be to have an invisible enemy, that no one can see and that can never be stopped in our lifetime? If that were the case, the liberals would be able to ensure that the country would permanently be afraid and on a war-footing. They?d be able to pass all kinds of crazy legislation because of the ?emergency? and anyone that criticized them would be labelled as ?unpatriotic”? and a ?traitor”?.
That?s right! Global warming is just a liberal conspiracy to help the liberals win an election. They?ve seen what happens when good Americans are faced with real threats like Saddam?s Weapons Of Mass Destruction and the crazy beard-men of Islam. They know how the country unites behind the man who pledges to get rid of that danger (thank you Mr President!). And so now they?ve decided to invent an enemy of their own.
Of course, Gore and his cronies can?t bomb SUV drivers like they?d like to, but I?ve learned they want to do something even sneakier. They want to raise taxes. And taxes hurt people far more than bombs ever do.
Are you going to let this mad liberal maniac trick you into voting for him and then pay for the privilege? Me neither. And so I urge you all not to watch his boring film.
May God bless you all,
Sam Johnston
I almost did watch this movie, but there were no breast in it. Just some pinko nancy pansy gobbledygook about.. about… ahhh, damn mad cow.
Danny Crane
What are you talking about Danny Crane? I wish people of a higher intellectual standard than you would comment sometimes.
Guys, stop thinking so binary:
Bad/good
Republican/Democrat
God/Satan
Americans/others
1/0
Maybe if you unlock some others neurona you will realise life is a lot more subtile.
I will give you a tip, please close this website. You maybe don’t realise what you are doing but it is really DANGEROUS to all humans beeing to spread ideas like that (see i don’t care ONLY about americans, me)
“What are you talking about Danny Crane? I wish people of a higher intellectual standard than you would comment sometimes.”
*In steps THJ*
Something we have in common - we both hate Michael Moore. God damn, what an annoying twat that man is.
The rest of the article is utter bollocks, of course. Are you seriously telling me global warming isn’t happening? Do you really, honestly believe it is a conspiracy?
I want proof of what you’re saying. I want a fucking graph showing that global warming is not happening.
How can I make a graph to show something that isn’t happening THJ?
Of course it’s a conspiracy! next you’ll be trying to tell me that the world wasn’t made in seven days and that humans are descended from monkeys. I know your type.
Yeah, the better man got the most votes in 2000. So the other one should just shut up and let good Americans run the country.
Global warming maybe coming, but it isn’t caused by pollution. The earth changes climate very often, remember the last ice age? The earth will change from an icy planet to a hot planet and then back to icy, it has been like this for billions of years! It has nothing to do with pollution, the earth itself releases the largest amount of CO2, humans only contribute a tiny percentage of the CO2 emission. We need to focus on protecting ourselves from the climate change, instead of needlessly whine about CO2 emission. If you still believe in CO2 caused global warming, please stop breathing, since breathing air releases CO2.
\”What? You mean like the fact that you LOST the election Al Gore?\”
That\’s very funny to see that in a country how pretend to be a democraty, when the majority of the population vote for qomebody, he is sure to be elected.
that\’s why we can say: the USA is a reel democraty. I wish that my stupid country was too.
\”If that were the case, the liberals would be able to ensure that the country would permanently be afraid and on a war-footing. They?¢‚Ǩ?°?É‚Äû?ɬ¥d be able to pass all kinds of crazy legislation because of the ?¢‚Ǩ?°?É‚Äû?ɬ?emergency?¢‚Ǩ?°?É‚Äû?ɬ¥ and anyone that criticized them would be labelled as ?¢‚Ǩ?°?É‚Äû?ɬ?unpatriotic???? and a ?¢‚Ǩ?°?É‚Äû?ɬ?traitor????.\”
Yeah, you REALLY wouldn\’t want\’t THAT to happen, would you?
Say, you have shown me what hypocrites liberals are.
Thank you Nicolas! At last, someone who knows what he is talking about.
“I?¢‚Ǩ?°?É‚Äû?ɬ¥m sure Christian readers don?¢‚Ǩ?°?É‚Äû?ɬ¥t need me to tell them that this is baloney and that that storm was God?¢‚Ǩ?°?É‚Äû?ɬ¥s judgement on New Orleans for all its jazz clubs.”
LOL hahaha you are so funny Sam … all my office was so lol about this funny post !!
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It was very righteous and christian thank you !
“\?¢‚Ǩ?°?É‚Äû?ɬ?What? You mean like the fact that you LOST the election Al Gore?\?¢‚Ǩ?°?É‚Äû?ɬ?
That\?¢‚Ǩ?°?É‚Äû?ɬ¥s very funny to see that in a country how pretend to be a democraty, when the majority of the population vote for qomebody, he is sure to be elected.
that\?¢‚Ǩ?°?É‚Äû?ɬ¥s why we can say: the USA is a reel democraty. I wish that my stupid country was too. ”
Shelley modified my post. So maybe she think I’m not allowed to say what i want and what is true? or maybe is vision of liberty in the USA do not include the expression liberty?
stay in your country with your illusion, shelley, keep your american dream for you, I live in reality.
here is the original post :
“What? You mean like the fact that you LOST the election Al Gore?”
That’s very funny to see that in a country how pretend to be a democraty, when the majority of the population vote for qomebody, he is not sure to be elected.
like during the 2000 elections; more people have voted for Al Gore than for Bush.
it’s a fact, see the results: http://www.fec.gov/pubrec/2000presgeresults.htm
that’s why we can ask: are the USA a reel democraty?
Sam Sam Sam i am… You sound like a toddler who does not get his way… You know what is funny is. you openly admit to not going to see the movie… YOu urge other people not to go without first had knowledge of the movie yourself.. Well that says it all about the kind of biggit that you are.. I see you are still attacking people… How dare you say you wish people of intelligence would respond to this post… You get what you give…. So if you want intelligent people to comment.. write and intelligent article…
“that?¢‚Ǩ?°?É‚Äû?ɬ¥s why we can ask: are the USA a reel democraty? ”
Have you been living in a cave for the last 4 years or what ? Don’t you know that America has so much democracy that we have to export our surplus?
I guess you don’t live in a democratic country and don’t even know what you’re talking about. Do you even get Fox News where you live? If not, how could you know what is a democracy?
‘How convenient would it be to have an invisible enemy, that no one can see and that can never be stopped in our lifetime? If that were the case, the liberals would be able to ensure that the country would permanently be afraid and on a war-footing. They?¢‚Ǩ?°?É‚Äû?ɬ¥d be able to pass all kinds of crazy legislation because of the ?¢‚Ǩ?°?É‚Äû?ɬ?emergency?¢‚Ǩ?°?É‚Äû?ɬ¥ and anyone that criticized them would be labelled as ?¢‚Ǩ?°?É‚Äû?ɬ?unpatriotic?¢‚Ǩ?°?É‚Äû?ɬ?? and a ?¢‚Ǩ?°?É‚Äû?ɬ?traitor?¢‚Ǩ?°?É‚Äû?ɬ??.’
Sounds kind of like….what Bush is doing now. Now isn’t that odd. Opps, I mean the Republican Party. Bush has not the intellegence to tie his shoe, taking over the world seems a little ahead of him.
Why are you so pissed off for Al Gore “telling you what to do”? Does he hold some kind of power over you? Hell, you tell liberals what to do everyday, but they choose the better road and JUST IGNORE YOU. If he bothers you so much, shouldn’t you do the same for Al Gore, instead of devoting an entire post to him?
Whatever!
http://www.johnrichie.com/V2/movies/moviePage.php?title=My%20US%20of%20Whateva&width=550&height=400&file=BUSH_FINAL.swf
“And taxes hurt people far more than bombs ever do.”
Really?
Yeah, Sam. Back in the seventies we were told the world was going to freeze (too cold) and now they say it’s going to sizzle (too hot). Now that we have the greatest president in the history of the world, everything’s going to be just right.
Look how fat Michael Moore is! Gross. Then look how fit our president is. Which would you choose?
Why are my comments not appearing? What is this, a LLLiberal site? Try posting the truth on a commie site like Kos and it never sees the light of day.
The igornance ! The arrogance !
You people think your belief is some sort of divine truth. You sit on anyone who opposes you. The world wasn’t made in 7 days. It took a few billion years, go look at the damn fossils.
Gore didn’t lose the election. He actually had more votes. Idiot.
You prefer to take the bible litterally, which is almost a sin because it’s obvious you don’t understand it, when the proof is right there in front of your eyes. You are so condescendant and foolish that you want to spread your ignorance in our schools ! You want teachers to teach them that man simply appeared on Earth, which would mean we are all inbreeds, and that Eve actually came from Adam’s rib. That’s a symbolic story ! I respect the Bible, and I can see it’s message ! But you, you have to take it word for word. You have to deform and defile your own holy text ! Reading your blog posts could be enough to call you Anti-Christ.
Fools.
USA are a real bushcraty …
“you?¢‚Ǩ?°?É‚Äû?ɬ¥ll be trying to tell me that the world wasn?¢‚Ǩ?°?É‚Äû?ɬ¥t made in seven days and that humans are descended from monkeys. I know your type. ”
And i know your, ignorant integrist.
ADAM & EVE IS A STORY, no *the* HISTORY.
Damn, you have no proof, validating some unbrained theory on dogma and thinking we would say “oooooh you’re so right”. You’re wrong :p You’re even wronger when you think USA are a democraty: death penalty, antipersonnal Mines,Secret Services as drug & weapons dealers, countries take over, money before human and more… Sorry that is not being christian, that is being STUPID and absolutely not informed of today’s world.
USA is a the only country which cross from barbarism to decadencia without being civilisation.
Change global warming with terrorism in the last paragrah (and democrats by republicans, btw).
Your irony is wonderfully distracting, too bad so few people are getting that.
Oh, Koko, what you wrote is non-sense, and that’s easy to prove. CO2 is emited by the earth through _huge_ volcanic events, like the ones in India 60 millions year from now. Currently the volcanic activity is very low. The increase of CO2 in the atmosphere is also the steepest in know climate history. Well, except is earth was created 6000 years ago by a god playful enough to bury fossils, neolithic cities and coherent rock formations over the last millions of years…
Shorter Max: I hate Christians.
Thirqual: Trees need CO2 to live. Think about that, treehugger.
The moonbats are really swarming here. They really hate the truth.
If only some would come here who can spel! Hahaha.
Global warming is bullshit. Agreed. The Earth is in a natural warming cycle right now…we’re still coming out of the last Ice Age. Sure, humans have an effect, but we can’t control nature. That’s either the realm of God, or natural immutable physical laws of nature…effectively, it’s saying the same thing. And the belief that Americans are the primary cause is so far past bullshit I don’t know the proper term for it. Most of the real pollution comes from developing countries that are making the transition out of being third-world hellholes, such as China. Which, while still a hellhole, is no longer a third-world hellhole. Most of the factories blamed for this pollution within the US don’t even operate here anymore, and the ones that do are a fraction of those operating in China. Also, the whole rising sea levels bit, the most it can really rise within the next hundred years in two inches. A whole two inches. And that’s a worst-case scientific estimate based on exponential temperature growth at a relatively high factor. That’s not even enough to to put water in the streets of Manhattan! Don’t believe me? Get a ruler, and mark two inches. That’s it. Not much, if you actually look. The oceans aren’t going to be meeting the Appalacian (sp?) Mountains again anytime soon.
I don’t have any clue what the first screenshot is supposed to be for, though I do recognize that it’s some bastardization of ocean current charts and upper-level atmosphere airflow charts…
The second image is captioned most appropriately.
Now here’s what pissed me off. Katrina was no more a specific act of God than any other hurricane in the year. It’s absolute bullshit. If God had wanted New Orleans gone, he would have had Katrina hit the shore at Cat 5, not Cat 3. Hell, He would have probably made it so powerful they’d have to make a Cat 6 just for it. God is proven nothing if not thorough by the Bible. He doesn’t do things by halves, but in spades. You’re spouting exactly that sort of Pat Robertson-esque bullshit that gives good Christians everywhere a bad name.
I completely agree with your description of Hollywood, most appropriate. But, please, for the love of all that is Good and Holy, NEVER post another picture of that lardassed mongoloid Moore. EVER.
That picture would have been perfect for capping off the article, but then you started spouting what pretty much resembles your own particular conspiracy-theory bullshit. You might have some truth in there, especially about Gore using this to his advantage (something of a “duh” statement, really), but you dissolved from meaningful criticism into pointless ranting.
Damn, I hate it when I forget major points. Unlike you, I will be going to see this piece of shit, load of shit, movie. Why? So I can refute it, in detail, properly, and have proper knowlege of its arguments. The exact same reason I saw Fahrenheit 9/11 (YAY for the author of Fahrenheit 411 suing the pants off Michael Moore) and Loose Change 2 (I needed four airplanes worth of barf bags for their four airplanes worth of lies and misinformation).
Don’t attempt to argue against a movie you haven’t seen. It’s pointless, because even I would give the point to a Democrat when they’ve at least seen what’s under discussion, and you haven’t, because they’re at least making informed (even if their information was false) comments, versus your ignorant ones.
One more thing. Jim questioned this statement: ?¢‚Ǩ?°?É‚Äû?ɬ?And taxes hurt people far more than bombs ever do.?¢‚Ǩ?°?É‚Äû?ɬ?
How many bombs have you been hit by?
How many times have you paid taxes?
Think about it.
“How can I make a graph to show something that isn?¢‚Ǩ?°?É‚Äû?ɬ¥t happening THJ?”
You mean you can’t? Because if that isn’t a rhetorical question then its a very stupid one. Hell, it?¢‚Ǩ?°?É‚Äû?ɬ¥s even stupid as a rhetorical question. Of course you can make a graph that proves that something isn?¢‚Ǩ?°?É‚Äû?ɬ¥t happening. Besides, I said graph as an example. Just give me solid proof that global warming is not happening, whatever form it may be in.
Ah! I forgot to add:
The world was not made in seven days.
We are all decended from primates.
Stop to try to be logic with those kind of people. They have their own postulate and so their own logic. If you admit that bible is an incontestable truth, then you can’t accept modern science because there is a contradiction.
The difference between a scientist theory and a christian theory is that a scientist theory is not THE truth but a possibility. A scientist need to ask question about the postulate and the discover , a religious person just need to have “the faith”.
They are just prisoner of their own system. They just don’t understand the world.
Just a final question : For you , earth has a rotation around Sun or Sun has a rotation around earth ?
Personal attacks, which were prominent in this article, are signs of insecurity. This leads me to a conclusion: Republicans are losing their grip. They are have to resort to the lowest form of critisism. Sad.
No editing of my post, exept if you want to remove the following statement: if you do, it will prove my point (not about personal attacks, about losing their grip, for you moderating idiots)You
This is a great site.
If you disagree with this article you are dumber than a box of rocks!
“…that lardassed mongoloid Moore.”
He does look kind of Asian, doesn’t he? Well, maybe not. And you can’t really see his ass in the picture. But look at him. He sure is fat!
To scientist’s last question : both, depending on your chosen referential.
Excuse me, but I can’t stop posting logical facts just to have stupid answers like trees needing CO2 to live (try to put a plant under a bell with 5% of CO2 in the air under the same bell to see it wither and die), or the climate just going out of the late ice age and still warming (Milankovic’s cycles anyone ?)
We had 4 complete cycles in the last 100 000 years, which amounts to 25 000 years for a glaciation plus a hot period. Our hot period started 12 000 years ago. Do the maths.
Difference from the 70’s ? oh, just computers, ice boring in antartica, modelisations, and a whole bunch of climatologists instead of just a fistful.
A factory doesn’t produce much CO2. A thermal plant does. CO2 production is thus linked to the energy consumption, not to the amount of factories or volume of manufactured goods.
Actually the sea is rising at the speed of 3mm/year. This is not discussed and is accepted by every climatologist, even carboscepticals (measures at stations studying te tides).
If you are serious about that (and know how to use a calculator), volume of ocean water is about 1400 millions of m^3, surface is about 350 millions of km^2. The thermal dilatance of water is around 0.20 10^(-3), one more do the maths for temperature rising globally of a few degrees. This is stupid because of the thermo-halin circulation, but it will give a long-term idea of the effects (time scale : couple of centuries, of course you’ll be dead).
Thank you Aurain, I agree with your post about seeing the movie if your going to argue against it. I haven’t seen it yet, so I can offer no opinion. I do think we need to get off of foreign oil, either with hybrid, alternative fuels, whatever. If that lowers air pollution, CO2, etc. thats just gravy.
US Republican = Talibans
World haters.
“Of course it?¢‚Ǩ?°?É‚Äû?ɬ¥s a conspiracy! next you?¢‚Ǩ?°?É‚Äû?ɬ¥ll be trying to tell me that the world wasn?¢‚Ǩ?°?É‚Äû?ɬ¥t made in seven days and that humans are descended from monkeys. I know your type.”
Tellme the true.
Al Gore and Michael Moore should be tried for treason against capitalist corporations whose only ’sin’ is not polluting nearly enough. Eviron-MENALISM is holding back our corporate interests in being able to run rough-shod over anything it rightly deserves to trample; from rainforests to small children.
Thirqal: how many of the world’s trees do scientists propose we place under bells? Ding-ding-ding! None.
But if you get off killing poor defenseless trees, be my guest.
3mm a year? Plenty of time to put your house up on stilts then!
Fiend wrote:
“Personal attacks, which were prominent in this article, are signs of insecurity. This leads me to a conclusion: Republicans are losing their grip. They are have to resort to the lowest form of critisism. Sad.”
Do you know how many boring, repetative smear campaigns I’ve seen liberals start? Just pay attention, every election, like clockwork, the first liberal-funded smear ads come out weeks before the first conservative-funded ones. Seemed like all Kerry could come up with was that Bush was stupid, and that he himself had won three Purple Hearts.
Richard 23 wrote:
“?¢‚Ǩ?°?É‚Äû?ɬ??¢‚Ǩ?°?É‚Äû?Ǭ?that lardassed mongoloid Moore.?¢‚Ǩ?°?É‚Äû?ɬ?
He does look kind of Asian, doesn?¢‚Ǩ?°?É‚Äû?ɬ¥t he? Well, maybe not. And you can?¢‚Ǩ?°?É‚Äû?ɬ¥t really see his ass in the picture. But look at him. He sure is fat!”
Look up the term “mongoloidism”. It’s the original term for what’s now known as Down’s Syndrome, coined by a British doctor running an asylum decades ago. 1830’s or 1930’s, would have to dig out the book to remember which. Also, if that was the only picture of Moore available, perhaps I couldn’t easily make such a statement. Besides, he’s the sort of person who screams about the government hoarding food for Americans while there’s starving kids in Ethiopia, while shoveling something fatty, greasy, and friend down his disgusting gullet.
“Excuse me, but I can?¢‚Ǩ?°?É‚Äû?ɬ¥t stop posting logical facts just to have stupid answers like trees needing CO2 to live (try to put a plant under a bell with 5% of CO2 in the air under the same bell to see it wither and die), or the climate just going out of the late ice age and still warming (Milankovic?¢‚Ǩ?°?É‚Äû?ɬ¥s cycles anyone ?)”
Sure, if you put a sickeningly lethal concentration of CO2 in the air…but there isn’t, and humans can’t produce that much in any reasonable period of time (we’re talking centuries from now, if we were still on pure fossil fuels, and hadn’t run out of most of them by then). At the same time, try putting a plant in a pure O2 environment…it’ll die just as fast. CO2’s used in the photosynthetic process, and without it, the plant can’t make its food.
“We had 4 complete cycles in the last 100 000 years, which amounts to 25 000 years for a glaciation plus a hot period. Our hot period started 12 000 years ago. Do the maths.”
We might have had four complete cycles, but overall, the glaciers didn’t reach back down to halfway across the United States since the last real Ice Age. Hmmm…I wonder why? Could it be that these cycles are miniature cycles within an overall rising trend, much like the markets do? Use your brain, and think for yourself. Also, the so-called “hot period” is better called the “warming period”, which is started from when temperatures hit their lowest…which means we have approximately half a millenium of warming to go. Yes, the math (yes, math, not maths, it’s the same singular or plural) works out against the global warming fanatics.
“Difference from the 70?¢‚Ǩ?°?É‚Äû?ɬ¥s ? oh, just computers, ice boring in antartica, modelisations, and a whole bunch of climatologists instead of just a fistful.”
Hmm…Computers are less wasteful than millions of sheets of paper, no? More convenient at any rate…and those same machines seem to help us find out things like “Freon is bad!” Ice boring in Antartica can tell you about conditions there, but if you note, the air over the poles in the overall airflow is sinking down from the upper atmosphere, where all sorts of reactions scientists admit they don’t really understand go on, so it’s not exactly what one could call a controlled experiment. Further, there hasn’t really been enough work down there for long enough to know how airborne CO2 transfers to ice…and don’t bother arguing this, because any upper layer of ice is going to be irretrievably contaminated in the collection process. Finally, the increase in climatologists just works against them…the ones who get hired are the ones that get airtime, and the ones that get airtime are the ones who spout doom and gloom bullshit. Look at political analysts in the Cold War for a good example…every single time you looked at the publically visible ones, they were spouting off about how Russia was seconds away from launching the first shots of a nuclear war. The cooler heads, though, that weren’t media jockeys, were sometimes worried, but since they actually had leaders’ ears, that never happened. It’s a slim job market, so they have to really compete against each other.
“A factory doesn?¢‚Ǩ?°?É‚Äû?ɬ¥t produce much CO2.”
Manufacturing plants such as steel mills produce quite a bit.
“A thermal plant does.”
Depends on the thermal plant. Want to know how much CO2 our 100+ nuclear reactors produce? Right at about jack shit. And yes, those are thermal transfer generators. Nuclear fission is a hot process.
“CO2 production is thus linked to the energy consumption, not to the amount of factories or volume of manufactured goods.”
And energy consumption is directly related to such processes…your argument is self-defeating. Also, once again, it shows a distinct lack of knowlege of basic industrial processes in massive industries (such as steel, charcoal, etc).
“Actually the sea is rising at the speed of 3mm/year. This is not discussed and is accepted by every climatologist, even carboscepticals (measures at stations studying te tides).”
That’s a liberal lie. Just do a Google search, and just look at university web sites…that’s a VERY hotly contested claim. There NEVER a total consensus of any sort of scientist on any subject, beyond maybe the existence of life, the universe, etc. But as for how it works? Never. I’m also curious what a “carbosceptical” is. It sounds like a machine part…and something more related to carbon measurement, if it’s a measuring device, than anything else. Devices that scientists and doctors used are named according to a standard Latin naming convention, so that it’ll translate across languages…and I know none of the terms in that word mean water.
“If you are serious about that (and know how to use a calculator), volume of ocean water is about 1400 millions of m^3, surface is about 350 millions of km^2. The thermal dilatance of water is around 0.20 10^(-3), one more do the maths for temperature rising globally of a few degrees. This is stupid because of the thermo-halin circulation, but it will give a long-term idea of the effects (time scale : couple of centuries, of course you?¢‚Ǩ?°?É‚Äû?ɬ¥ll be dead).”
I’m used to thinking in millenia, no big stretch. Now, I’d like to note you never included a single variable or equation that relates those numbers in a meaningful way to support your claim. So basically, you’re spouting off random numbers in an attempt to sound intelligent, tossing off an insult, and never providing any way that the average reader could check your claims. So, in effect, you’ve basically said…jack shit, really. A couple geographic numbers, a bit of data copied out of the back of a chemistry textbook (and I’m pretty sure that number’s wrong…H2O is generally used as the base substance for many of those numbers, since they’re all relative to each other), and no actual mathematical equation to link them all together. Then you mention something about “thermo-halin” concentration…what on God’s green earth does that mean? Halinoids are halogen compounds (gaseous flourine, chlorine, etc), and aren’t what the major eco-apocalypsists like to really spout off about, since the only one of those that’s a real danger (chlorine) is really down on emissions, since the banning of chloroflurocarbons (CFC’s). The main ones you hear about are organic compouds, such as sulfur dioxide (which actually radiates heat away from the Earth, generally…), carbon dioxide, etc. So what the hell is a “thermo-halin”? Because it wasn’t covered in three semesters of college-level chemistry and two semesters of organic chemistry.
bubba wrote:
“Thank you Aurain, I agree with your post about seeing the movie if your going to argue against it. I haven?¢‚Ǩ?°?É‚Äû?ɬ¥t seen it yet, so I can offer no opinion. I do think we need to get off of foreign oil, either with hybrid, alternative fuels, whatever. If that lowers air pollution, CO2, etc. thats just gravy.”
I like you, and not just because you agree with me. The US is the largest producer of corn (the source of ethanol) in the world, why shouldn’t we drive on it? For simple economic reasons, it’s worth doing, and I really do have to agree that if it reduces pollution, all the better.
Hippies, take that to heart…intelligent, informed opinions that are actually based in reality are appreciated and praised. It’s not that we hate you (more like laugh at you), we hate stupidity.
Shorter Aurain: I like to hear myself go clickety clack on my keyboard. Are you writing a novel, kookbat?
I had to jab myself with an icepick to get through the first three pages.
You’re obviously a liberal spoof. Real conservatives are terse and to the point.
Nice rhyming.
I am to the point…I just take the time to address ALL of the points.
And I’m what’s called a moderate conservative. I avoid rhetoric and try to be original and thorough.
Hey, Aurain! No icepick this time. Thank you. And now I understand — it was the “moderate” part of you that wrote that novel.
Get rid of that “moderate” baggage and you can be a staunch conservative and a good Republican!
And a good republican doesn’t have to be thorough or original, just RIGHT!
Hopefully STR.com will pray with me for Aurain….
delta(H)=Volume*Beta*Deta(T)/Surface.
This one is so obvious I would have thought insulting of writing it out. But since you’re asking so kindly.
“(and I?¢‚Ǩ?°?É‚Äû?ɬ¥m pretty sure that number?¢‚Ǩ?°?É‚Äû?ɬ¥s wrong?¢‚Ǩ?°?É‚Äû?Ǭ?H2O is generally used as the base substance for many of those numbers, since they?¢‚Ǩ?°?É‚Äû?ɬ¥re all relative to each other)” for dilatance factors it is much more handy to compare them with metals dilatance, because water’s changes a lot with temperature. Not on a scale of a few degrees, mind you, but between 300 and 350 K it doubles.
“?¢‚Ǩ?°?É‚Äû?ɬ?thermo-halin?¢‚Ǩ?°?É‚Äû?ɬ? concentration” it is circulation. Thermo-halin refers to 1) temperature 2) salt concentrations in ocean water, which is mainly sodium and potassium chlorides, hence the name, as the anion is an halogenoid. You began to talk like you were knowing some climatology, this is the base for talking about ocean sea level rising, ocean temperature, influence on oceans on the climate and so on. Excuse me for making assumptions.
18% of american electricity comes from nuclear plants. The rest is mainly gas and coal thermal plant.
The change of temperature from cold cycle to hot cycle is fast, then the temperature is stable. The last real ice age was 20 000 years ago. These are not micro cycles. Here you point out a important confusion due to the outdated conception of 4 big ice ages with time periods of ~75 000 years which were deduced from boulders and loess. In this regard what you say is exactly true, but with ice boring it was proven that the cycles are shorter and that the change of temperature, CO2 and CH4 proportion in the air and water levels happend quite fast on the scale of the cycle.
“and don?¢‚Ǩ?°?É‚Äû?ɬ¥t bother arguing this, because any upper layer of ice is going to be irretrievably contaminated in the collection process” I’ll do… because the equations of gaz transportations and migration in ice are inckuded in the errorbars for these measures. It is interesting to note that as ice is packed by the weight of the
About the problem of air origin, it should be noted that the composition of air is the same obver the first 20 km or so due to constant mixing. The fact that there _is_ ice means that there were snow falling, hence water in the air, hence that it is not coming from high atmosphere. Period.
A carbosceptical is someone who is denying that the CO2 proportion is rising in the air.There are not many of them, but they are very useful cause they ask interesting questions and point out other ways of explaining the sea level rise, temperature variation and so on.
oops, read “delta(T)”, not “deta(T)”, of course, and beta is the thermal dilatance. The value I gave earlier is ISU, that is to say in K^(-1).
Reading the rantings of deranged and misguided people is quite entertaining. But it become quite corrosive to the soul once you realize that others agree with them.
Read oppinions at http://shelleyuncovered.blogspot.com
TriggerHappyJim,
I think it’s you who should be proving to me that it is happening. After all, nothing’s changed around here. Are all liberals as ignorant as you? (by the way, you don’t have to answer this, because I know that the answer is yes… and that Satan has taken you!)
It’s going to take me some time to address all of that, and I still have to check the math…and you’ll have to excuse me if I don’t assume your numbers are right. And in someplace like this, it really doesn’t matter if I know the equation or not, most of the people here don’t.
I’m going to assume the ‘moderators’ cut out the portion of paragraph 6…drop a copy in the Free Speech Zone (misnomer, if ever there was one) and we’ll argue it there. There are a few other points I’m going to have to re-research there, so don’t be too surprised if it takes me a couple days to respond.
surely you have to watch the film to know whst you are arguing against? and global warming is a fact. its not been proved that it is caused by pollution but the world temperature is rising you cant deny that. its also a fact that the polar ice caps are melting. its not propaganda. its happening. and surely al gore has a right to express his opinions just as much as you do. saying he should stop doing this because he didnt win an election is ridiculous because its quite obvious that you didnt win any election either so by ypour reasoning you should not be posting this blog. saying that hurricane katrina was gods punishment is ridiculous because god would know that people could be evacuated and saved by the army etc (the fact that your government chose to leave people to die was not gods judgement)
Climate change is real thing. And you americans are the biggest reason for it happening (for example, you refuse to ratify the Kyoto Protocol). Unless you Americans blow up the world with your nukes, the climate will get us.
Sammm samm sammmmm………… freedom of speach is a right all americans have under the constitution….. Trigger happy jim does not need to prove anything to you…. You are not God or any other person of authority…. You know the more i think about it you sound like an angry FAG
Potto: Maybe you should stop smoking so much pot. Do you even own a thermometer? Global temperatures go up during the day, sure, but they go down at night. If you ever looked at a thermometer in between bong hits, you might learn this for yourself.
Aurain: It may take a couple of days to respond? I’m not surprised, you’re a little slow. Go ahead and take a week if you like. If that’s not long enough, give yourself a year.
Try writing your thoughts down on paper. After you’re done, crumple it up and throw it in the garbage. Why? Why not?
not a patriot: You most certainly have the right of free speech. But while you’re muttering liberal talking points in the corner, nobody actually has to listen. And stop hitting on Sam.
Nathan: God changes the climate, not us. Stop with the blame America first nonsense.
Jake: I agree. How does that make you feel?
Spur: Oh, never mind. Idle hands, idle hands….
richard 23 obviously you don’t have a brain nobody wants sam but you… sam is an idiot…. with little or no intelligence … obviously you must be his brother because you act and sound just like himm…. i think ill go puke now with thought of that… hey maybe you are some posting comments on your own site… hummmmmmmm
“They?¢‚Ǩ?°?É‚Äû?ɬ¥ve seen what happens when good Americans are faced with real threats like Saddam?¢‚Ǩ?°?É‚Äû?ɬ¥s Weapons Of Mass Destruction and the crazy beard-men of Islam.”
Before that I really thought he was serious. =) Real threats, right… Where are those “real” weapons of mass destruction?
I would just love to see one of you people from STR face to face and start a real conversation. Just to see are you really so arrogant, ignorant and stupid or is this an extremely well planned joke.
Richard 23: Have you ever tried a real conversation? You just attack people personally and make no real arguments at all. That’s just pathetic.
Perhaps it would be more sensible and mature to ask where the weapons are not ie in the hands of the crazy muslim killer Saddam Hussein. Why? because of the USA! You should be thanking us Tuomas instead of insulting us. (Oh, and by the way, I don’t want to meet you! Especially if I have to travel to Europe to do it… or are you from that other liberal hangout/ junkyard New York?)
Nathan: America is no longer the largest polluter…China outstripped us a couple years ago. Keep up with the times.
R23 (The Bullshit Bot!): Last I checked, I was having an intelligent argument with Thirqual, not you. So unless you happen to actual have some education in the sciences involved (and your attitude towards science is positively Islamic, so I highly doubt it), pike off.
Toumas: We found hundreds of artillery shells loaded with chemical and biological weapons (AKA WMD) in Iraq. Not to mention Saddam used them against his own people…what more evidence do you need?
Potto: For the love of the English language, use punctuation!
Sammy: Again with the personal attacks! Just make points and move on, no need to make this into an elementary school namecalling match!
Tuomas: Yes I have. And thanks for that. I think we had a pretty good discussion. I know I learned a lot.
Be sure to cast Satan and liberalism out of your heart. And praise the baby Jesus.
“TriggerHappyJim,
I think it?¢‚Ǩ?°?É‚Äû?ɬ¥s you who should be proving to me that it is happening.”
Play your hand. I think you can’t back up your argument, so instead you turn the tables on me.
You cannot be such moth*rf*ckers saying that Katrina was a kind of judgement, my entire familiy were in vacations in New Orleans and i haven’t found yet.
You’re the worst.
Sam Johnston: If those weapons existed, how come there’s no proof of them anywhere? And yes, I live in northern Europe, in Finland to be exact. The fact that you don’t even want to visit Europe tells even more about your selfcentered view of world.
Aurain: Try to spell my name correctly next time, it gives you more credibility. Where’s the proof of those found artillery shells? Can you show me some news/images or something which proves it?
Richard 23: In Finland we don’t have liberals and conservatives like you do in US. We have many political parties and actually a real democracy. We really can vote straight for a candidate to be elected. And I already believe in God, I’m a member of the Finland’s Evangelical Lutheran Church.
Tuomas: It’s called a typo. Maybe if I screwed up every third word, you could whine with a reason. As for proof, the news is a couple years old, and I’m not going to bother researching where to find it still. And once again, Saddam used the damn things on his own people. What more proof do you need that he had them and was willing to use them? As for the whole thing about voting directly, you have about five and a half million people. We have just shy of 300 million. The electoral college gives us a bit more of a margin for error when counting votes, since guess what? Humans make errors, that’s why it’s called “human error”. Look at things in perspective before you insult our methods.
Listen TriggerHappyJim, you’ve asked me to produce an invisble graph (another crazy liberal idea!). I’m sorry. We republicans are cleverer than you liberals, but I still don’t know how to do that. Why don’t you produce some real graphs and we’ll discuss those?
Wait, what do you know? One quick Google and I’m Feeling Lucky later, and we have this:
http://instapundit.com/images/Iraqdoc.pdf
This is a Congressional document regarding the declassification of 500+ artillery shells loaded with chemical weapon agents (sarin nerve gas and mustard gas blistering agent) that were found in Iraq. Page 4 makes it pretty clear what they found so far. And as any chemistry student can tell you, degraded doesn’t mean harmless, just less effective. With sarin, “less effective” means it kills you in a few minutes or hours, instead of a few seconds.
@Aurain
Yes, precisely this shows why we had no choice but to go to war with Saddam. This enormous quantity of nerve agents posed a direct threat to the U.S.A. and could not be tolerated (except by Nerve Gas Loving Liberals).
These are the WMDs we fought to make safe, and thanks to our government we have done so. Now Saddam is in prison, and the illegal WMD program that he set up to make these toxins has been dismantled.
The world is now a much safer place. How could this be a bad thing!
By the way in case you have not been watching the news, the Iraqui terrorist insurgency is being crushed and we captured their leader. Iraq is now a democracy (just like the U.S.A.) and it’s people are free.
So quit whining about the war - it has brought nothing but Good. Instead of moaning, why dont you Democrats support our troops and the good work they have been doing.
” The next question will be why the White House did not release this information at the time of their discovery. Santorum’s statement says, ?¢‚Ǩ?°?É‚Äû?ɬ?The information released today proves that weapons of mass destruction are, in fact, in Iraq[.] It is essential for the American people to understand that these weapons are in Iraq. I will continue to advocate for the complete declassification of this report so we can more fully understand the complete WMD picture inside Iraq.?¢‚Ǩ?°?É‚Äû?ɬ? That implies that a broader analysis of WMD in Iraq exists — and that it differs significantly from the common understanding shown thus far.
Some will claim that the release is strictly for political purposes. They may have a point, but I doubt it will have anything to do with domestic politics. If Bush wanted to use it for that, he would have done so in October 2004 and not in June 2006. This information changes the picture about our pre-war intelligence in time for the Iranian confrontation — and I suspect that the White House wants to declassify it in order to convince European leaders that our intel actually paid off. . . .
So why keep this quiet? Perhaps CENTCOM [Central Command] did not want to tip the AQ-I [Al-Qaeda - Insurgent] forces to their continued existence. Another explanation may have been that some of this got captured through active intel sources that would have blown continuing operations. Obviously the Intelligence Committee felt that the need for secrecy had passed.”
-Ed Morrisey, of http://www.captainsquartersblog.com
He says it far more eloquently than I could have.
Furthermore, Tuomas, I would assume that you’re in that boat of liberal lunacy that subscribes to President Bush having used the evidence of Iraqi WMD as the only reason to go to war, and that spreading democracy and liberating Iraqis from a cruel, sadistic dictator was only “invented” later. Generally I don’t just drop a link and say take a look, but
http://instapundit.com/archives/022447.php
is a very good look at the lies behind these claims. Generally, I prefer to go to sources, as opposed to referring to end research, but this person gives all of his sources in every article, so have fun watching your pretty little fantasy world be disassembled at the base.
Listen TriggerHappyJim, you?¢‚Ǩ?°?É‚Äû?ɬ¥ve asked me to produce an invisble graph (another crazy liberal idea!). I?¢‚Ǩ?°?É‚Äû?ɬ¥m sorry. We republicans are cleverer than you liberals, but I still don?¢‚Ǩ?°?É‚Äû?ɬ¥t know how to do that. Why don?¢‚Ǩ?°?É‚Äû?ɬ¥t you produce some real graphs and we?¢‚Ǩ?°?É‚Äû?ɬ¥ll discuss those?
I’m going to quote myself. Twice.
“Besides, I said graph as an example. Just give me solid proof that global warming is not happening, whatever form it may be in.”
And again:
“Play your hand. I think you can?¢‚Ǩ?°?É‚Äû?ɬ¥t back up your argument, so instead you turn the tables on me.”
I think it’s up to the liberals to prove that “Global Warming” exists, a theory believed by only a small minority of Americans.
We conservatives are concerned with only real threats, for which we have provided abundant proof: The danger of terrorism (proved by our president), and the tribulations of the end time (proved by the bible).
I dont see why I should panic every time All Gore or his chicken-little liberal cronies tells us that we are going to be destroyed by the Sun. Anybody of faith knows that God will not let that happen!
Every republican knows that “Global Warming” is another liberal myth designed to cause panic and disrupt our markets. Lets leve the environment to God, and get on with living our lives. That’s what God wants.
Tristan
I googled it for you, seeing as you seem to be incapable of doing so yourself.
Taken from: http://yosemite.epa.gov/oar/globalwarming.nsf/content/climateuncertainties.html
It’s well accepted by scientists that greenhouse gases trap heat in the Earth’s atmosphere and tend to warm the planet. By increasing the levels of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere, human activities are strengthening Earth’s natural greenhouse effect. The key greenhouse gases emitted by human activities remain in the atmosphere for periods ranging from decades to centuries.
A warming trend of about 1?Ǭ¨?F has been recorded since the late 19th century. Warming has occurred in both the northern and southern hemispheres, and over the oceans. Confirmation of 20th-century global warming is further substantiated by melting glaciers, decreased snow cover in the northern hemisphere and even warming below ground.
Here are your much loved graphs: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Instrumental_Temperature_Record.png
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Carbon_Dioxide_400kyr-2.png
“I dont see why I should panic every time All Gore or his chicken-little liberal cronies tells us that we are going to be destroyed by the Sun.”
I doubt very much that he is trying to make people panic. Just live more responsibly.
“I think it?¢‚Ǩ?°?É‚Äû?ɬ¥s up to the liberals to prove that ?¢‚Ǩ?°?É‚Äû?ɬ?Global Warming?¢‚Ǩ?°?É‚Äû?ɬ? exists, a theory believed by only a small minority of Americans.”
Global warming exists. What is disputable is whether or not this is the fault of humans.