Ancient Greece : Cradle of Perversion
I’ve received a comment from one of our readers bragging about his home country Greece and teasing me to write an article about the cradle of humankind, as he called it.
I must admit I do not know much about the current situation in this country except that the people are known for their laziness and tardiness.
But of course things like the Olympic Games and the Greek mythology (Zeus, Hardes, Poseidon, Aphrodite and the likes) and philosophers like Socrates comes to my mind. But since nearly a half century vanished since I’ve had history in school I decided to visit the public library in Iowa City to freshen up my memory. What I found out is more gruesome than the deeds of Bundy and Dahmer combined.
The patriotic Greece writing me bragged about Greece being the first advanced civilization in Europe whose impact is inseparable from today’s western institutions. “The civilization of the Ancient Greeks has been immensely influential on todays language, politics, educational systems, philosophy, science, and arts”, he told me.
After reading nearly a dozen books about this era I feel well informed enough to educate you (and him) about the real ancient Greece.
It is proven that the ancient Greek were not the great philosophers, scholars and commanders everyone wants to make us believe. Far from that. They were nothing more than peverted pederasts and homosexuals. Just think of Sapphos, the worlds first known Lesbian, living on the island of Lesbos (you probably now understand where the term Lesbian derivates from, don’t you?). But it was not just Lesbians roaming the streets, no, most of the men were gay, too. Sexual intercourse between men and women existed but nearly solely for the purpose of reproduction. Only 15% of the population were heterosexual and it was common for heterosexual woman to become as many children as possible in order to help steer their society away from extinction.
The institution of pederasty was inseparable from that of organized sports. The main venue for men and boys to meet and spend time together, and for the men to educate the boys in the ‘arts’ of sexual intimacy as well as some types of sports was the gymnasium, which was preeminently the training ground for these disciplines, and one of the principal venues for pederastic relationships. In particular, the practice of exercising nude was held to be of the utmost importance in the cult of beauty and eros which permeated pederastic societies.
The relationship between a trainer and his athletes often had erotic dimensions, and the same place which served as training ground served equally for erotic dalliances, as can be seen from the many scenes of seduction and lovemaking depicting implements found at palaestras, such as sponges and strigils.
The Olympic Games were invented to give people all around Greece the possibility to gather and celebrate their perverted moral affectations. First young boys would take part in sport competitions as a kind of foreplay to what was to follow. After the tournaments everyone would gather in the arena to celebrate; drinking wine and eating masses of food which would later summit to huge public orgies.
The practice of Anal sex has been so common in Ancient Greece that the term “Greek love” was used to refer to the practice, and in modern times, “Doing it the Greek way” is sometimes used as slang for anal sex.
We also learnt that the Olympic Games have been nothing more than huge orgies so that’s what they stand for. Therefore we should boycott them!May God be with you!
Barbara
PS: Maybe I will have to make a business trip to Greece in the next months and will then be able to give you some first hand impressions of today’s Greece and maybe even disclose the secret of the stone penisses.
Special thanks to Wikipedia, theoi and smh.com.
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Greeks were pretty screwed up. They may have been good philosophers but they were even moreso sexual perverts.
Those pictures are shocking but God bless you for covering up the parts that no Christian wants to witness. Sex organs especially in a state of enlargement should only be seen by married women as our Lord tells us. Of course in San Francisco you can see perverted things like this every day on the street. They even have a mayor there named Cavein Newsome who thinks it is okay to marry people of your own sex or even your horse. The saddest thing is that the whole country is going to become like San Francisco or Greece or certain parts of Germany if we don’t get back the election that was stolen from us. I always knew the Greeks were perverts when a Navy buddy of mine told me what Greek really meant. He thought he was going to show me but I told him “No way Jose!” but all that was before I became a Christian of course. Since I came to know Jesus I have been against the Greeks just as much as am the liberals and commies. Telly Savalas was a Greek I think and if that doesn’t show you something I don’t know what will. Keep on fighting the attack on our American way of life my friends and as always God bless our great country of the United States of America!
Mr. & Mrs. Jarvis Fernley
are you stupid or just ignoring!!?
the first pic is the David of Michelangelo and it’s located in Florence (Italy) not in Greece…
and also you always write about things you don’t know…
you are pathetic… go find a job!!
Did not one of these perverted Greeks say that they all are liars (I think he was from Crete)? Why should I learn about the “philosophy” of liars?
Special thanks to Wikipedia????
in one of the last articles you write that they are gay and dump^^
how can you read something like this???
Shelley Shelley… do you have any ideals???
And this pictures… they were made 2000 years ago, a time were your ancestors in Britain (ore where ever they came from) were hounting with stones an living in dens^^
greetz from good old germany
reading a dozen books make you a specialist on the subject? now I know how you can claim so much expertise titles.
First off - Men can [foul word deleted] each other any and every which way they want. Kudos to the Ancient Greeks for realising that.
Secondly - The Greeks are not to blame for the moral hellhole parts of your country are. Stop shifting the blame. I doubt any modern day paedophiles were inspired by the sexual antics of people who existed thousands of years before them.
Thirdly ?¢‚Ǩ?°?É‚Äû?ɬ¨ You twist facts so much that I?¢‚Ǩ?°?É‚Äû?ɬ¥m almost certain the second picture isn?¢‚Ǩ?°?É‚Äû?ɬ¥t actually depicting what you?¢‚Ǩ?°?É‚Äû?ɬ¥ve interpreted it as. However, me not being an expert on Ancient Greece, I can?¢‚Ǩ?°?É‚Äû?ɬ¥t prove my point.
Have a nice day.
@Godless french: Is it so suprising for a liberal to hear that a republican reads? We read a lot. For instance, I have just finished the whole (!) Left Behind series. Great books!
@swip
Of course liberal reads, or else how would they answer comments here, since they are written?(I suspect they have a world filter, though, which only process in their brains the words they want to understand). What amaze me is that you claim having understood a whole foreign civilisation by reading a few books. When I was young, I read about a hundred of books about the greek and roman civilisations (yeah, I used to read a lot before having access to the internet, like 200 books a year…), and yet I admit there are still a lot of things I don’t understand about it. Maybe you found a “Greek civilisation for dummies” that I never heard of…
how many hours you spend writing all this rubbish? that says it all, i agree, go find a job! ohh, right in your country is that thing called social security wich allow you to write all this shit and doing nothing usefull.
“how many hours you spend writing all this rubbish? that says it all, i agree, go find a job! ohh, right in your country is that thing called social security wich allow you to write all this shit and doing nothing useful”
This is very offensive to all the people that are working on this blog. Shelley, you’re doing a great job! Your blog is my number 1 internet address. It is like being among friends here.
It’s also my numeber 1 internet address … You are sooo fun . I have good time by reading the piece of shit you write ! Thx!
This article provides the best reason in the world to home school! Thanks, Barbara! While I’m sorry you had to see and read about all that vileness, I’m glad that you turned it into something positive!
BBN
God is Love!
ancient greece paved the way to how everyone lives today. they were a very advanced, intelligent civilisation. you dont have a clue how much you have to thank them for. but how could you when all you do is focus on the worst of everythin tht isnt apart of that godloving.. no sorry, godfrearing repulican america.
“The patriotic Greece writing me bragged about Greece being the first advanced civilization in Europe whose impact is inseparable from today?¢‚Ǩ?°?É‚Äû?ɬ¥s western institutions. ?¢‚Ǩ?°?É‚Äû?ɬ?The civilization of the Ancient Greeks has been immensely influential on todays language, politics, educational systems, philosophy, science, and arts?¢‚Ǩ?°?É‚Äû?ɬ?, he told me.”
I didn’t say that, but its true. And oh, go learn your own language, cunt, I’m a greeK, not greece itself :) But trust me, I’m proud of it ;)
“After reading nearly a dozen books about this era I feel well informed enough to educate you (and him) about the real ancient Greece.”
“Special thanks to Wikipedia, theoi and smh.com.”
Hmmmm… you read nearly a dozen books, but… thanks to Wikipedia :D ? Sounds weird ^^
“It is proven that the ancient Greek were not the great philosophers, scholars and commanders everyone wants to make us believe. Far from that. They were nothing more than peverted pederasts and homosexuals.”
So, how did you find that out if “everyone” wants you to believe that we were great philisophers ;)?
BTW I lost my endurance to comment every crap of this article… but I started laughing you out, you racist cunt :) you’ve never been somewhere else than in your USA, not in GB, I bet not even in Washington, but you think you’re able to play the teacher, fine… Everyone who has an IQ under his Number of Age in years will believe this ( like billy bob neck… by the way, howdy, old pal, how’s it spitting =D ? ), and that doesn’t break my heart ;)
Oh, before I forget… the biggest part of the porn industry creates it’s videos in North America, USA… =) And wow, that’s NOW, not 3000 years ago ;)
Yours in Christ, God is Love but not the way you mean it
Reclaimer,
the greek who bragged the cunt to write an article about greece to prove that greece is, just like germany, england and france, one of the best countries in the world =)
I hope you know what you just said. Because that’s the proof of your stupidity. you just goofed on the civilization that made the first step to a social world ;)
they “invented” the most important thing in the history of mankind: democracy. the most beloved ideal that you americans want to share with the world as YOUR product. I’m sorry barbara, but thomas jefferson didn’t invent democracy. And i think i speak for all if i say that the americans are the most perverted country in the world (except for hitler-germany with their NEW bundeskanzler Hidolf Atler). you ask me why? it’s nothing important but which is the biggest producer of pornographic material? greece or america? i guess it’s you. I’m sorry. and also americans are probably the best customers for thai shemales. HOW GAY IS THAT?!
but the best part (i saved it for the end) is that there is more sexual (child) abuse in america than in any other country…how bitter for good uncle sam.
cya lady
greetings from an old european ;)
Amen!
Barbara, if you try to write anything that should look like a researched article, please: quote your sources properly! Any human that ever submitted an university paper must know that.
And if it happens that you never went to an university, please refrain from educating people. By the way, it’s forbidden to teach without a degree (at least in our country).
– “America is the only nation that went from barbarism to decadence without civilisation in between” O. Wilde
How you can say that Michelangelo’s David is indicent? First, it’s not from Ancient Greece, it’s from the Renaissance. The Renaissance was that period of time between Middle Age and Modern Age when there was a great developement of humanity in all fields, mainly rescueing forgotten ideas from the Ancient Greece and Rome. Religion had darked occidental thinking since Roman Empire’s fall.
If you went to Florence, in a wonderful italian region called Tuscany (look for it in a map, if you have a world map, i mean), to a museum called l’Accademia you would be surprised of how amazing it is.
I don’t know if you know that most of the Christian philosophy is mainly taken from Plato’s (if not, read Saint Augustine or most Christian philosophers who demonstrated God’s existence). Plato was Greek. The other big philosopher in history was Aristotle, and he was Greek, too.
You can’t compare ancient Greece with modern Greece. That’s completely stupid. That’s the same as if would compare USA now and five centuries ago. In fact, Ancient Greece wasn’t a country. Each city (polis) was independent from the other, and they had constant wars (don’t you know the rivalry between Athens and Spartha?). It was a common culture.
If you haven’t travelled abroad, you shouldn’t talk about subjects of which you have no idea.
“How you can say that Michelangelo?¢‚Ǩ?°?É‚Äû?ɬ¥s David is indicent? ”
The answer is: Because he is nude! Why should a Christian that is devoted to God (and not at all gay) look at some stone weenie?
@ Spaver: Amen
@ Barbara: Owned.
?¢‚Ǩ?°?É‚Äû?ɬ?how many hours you spend writing all this rubbish? that says it all, i agree, go find a job! ohh, right in your country is that thing called social security wich allow you to write all this shit and doing nothing useful?¢‚Ǩ?°?É‚Äû?ɬ?
This is very offensive to all the people that are working on this blog. Shelley, you?¢‚Ǩ?°?É‚Äû?ɬ¥re doing a great job! Your blog is my number 1 internet address. It is like being among friends here.
at SWIP: could you give me your address please? I also do live in switzerland, and I want to share my experiance with you.
“could you give me your address please? I also do live in switzerland, and I want to share my experiance with you.”
Drug experiences or even homosexual ones? GO AWAY SATAN!
So He went out and destroyed their society with just one whiff of his breath and ever since then, Greece has been a Christian society following the rules of God.
Did not the Roman infidels finally overcome Greece? They were not Christian, you know.
And coincidally, the first bibles used in europe were greek.
Oh, and why do you use Wiki? It?Ǭ¨?Ǭ•s a liberal lie site, isn?Ǭ¨?Ǭ•t it?
PS: Weren?Ǭ¨?Ǭ•t the greek the inventors of democracy?
Drug experiences or even homosexual ones? GO AWAY SATAN!
I think he just wants to slap you into the face. Perhaps you then wake up…
Other than that: Business as usual, this article is crap.
The German Guy
IMPEACH BUSH
Nope, in fact, I wanted to shoot him :-/ too bad…
Everyone in ancient Palestine during the time of Christ spoke Aramaic, a GREEK dialect! Do some research before blanketly bashing everything Greek past & present! Quit being an Ugly American & wallowing in cultural chauvinism! It’s like when Yankees bash Southerners over slavery & Jim Crow laws,which were in the past & have nothing to do with today’s Southerners!
“?¢‚Ǩ?°?É‚Äû?ɬ?How you can say that Michelangelo?¢‚Ǩ?°?É‚Äû?ɬ¥s David is indicent? ?¢‚Ǩ?°?É‚Äû?ɬ?
The answer is: Because he is nude! Why should a Christian that is devoted to God (and not at all gay) look at some stone weenie?”
YOU WANT SOME QUOTATIONS FROM THE BIBLE!? FINE, YOU’LL GET SOME!
ADAM and EVE were both NUDE. Or is that a lie? A lie, which is written into the bible? Holy CraB !?
I think I’ll get no answer ;) which means: point for me?
Greetings, Yours in christ
Reclaimer
Yes, now I can say that I bashed str.com. Strike!
“People [in Greece] are known for their laziness and tardiness.” Stereotype.
“Hardes” Who is Hardes? A distant relative of Laurel’s partner Hardy? Perhaps you meant Hades!
Wasn’t Ted Bundy active in his Methodist church? And didn’t he rape WOMEN, not men? Dear me, is it possible for a Christian and a heterosexual person to be evil??
“Patriotic Greece” Greece is a country. Perhaps you meant Greek!
Who is “Sapphos”? Perhaps you meant Sappho!
“the term Lesbian derivates…” Derivates? Derivates is a noun and should not be used as a verb. Maybe you mean derives?!
“it was common for heterosexual women to become as many children as possible.” I was never aware that a single woman could “become” and mutate into several children. Maybe you meant to say “beget”!
“pederastic relationships were dyadic mentorships” What? Dyadic is defined as a mathematical expression formed by addition and subtraction. Perhaps you meant didactic?!
For more information on the Persian and Peloponnesian wars I suggest you read Herodotus and Thucydides. They are great historians and fun to read. Try reading them in ancient Greek. I have and it is even better.
What Biblical passage references God destroying an entire city with a single breath?
I think all of this proves that you need to go back to the library and pick up some more books. Maybe you could take some adult education classes at night, because you sound pretty incompetent and uneducated. At the very least you could open a dictionary every once in a while. I can let a misspelled word slip by, but if you are so passionate about this, you should at least be correct in your prose.
I find it hard to believe that out of the entire history of Greece you take this single aspect and blow it out of proportion. You judge it harshly, but I suspect that you didn’t pick up that many books at your good old Iowa City library. Perhaps you should go back and find some more books, or maybe you should go to a university bookstore and find some books on ancient Greece. Maybe you should take a class in ancient Greek, if you think you’re smart enough.
All in all, from your errors, mistakes, and misguided interpretations, you sound pretty ignorant and uneducated. Other ignorant and uneducated people will happly agree with you and defend you to their dying day. Thank GOD that the entire population isn’t so ignorant and uneducated.
Love thy neighbor!
There is a huge mixture of good and bad in every society and culture from forever to now. Humans have a responsibility to look everywhere for both good and bad, in order to select the good from the bad and improve society, and not to prejudice one culture by highlighting their flaws while championing another culture by hiding their crimes. I am curious what your research into American slavery of Africans would turn up. What vile and repugnant treatment of those women and young boys was perpetrated by the religious and business leaders of early America, who made us the greatest country on Earth today thanks to 300 years of free labor, and legal murder, rape and torture.
“Greeks still use little stone penisses during their masses commonly believed to signify the penis of Jesus”
I do not think that Jesus had a large penis,
so like you husband has!
You, and people like you are the reason that our society is so ignorant and judgemental…Why should anyone be condemned for what they prefer sexually? If Greece had never existed we would all still be eating raw meat from fresh kills…You say that you have morals, but your morals seem to be a combination of finger pointing and distorting the truth to fit your purposes…Big Brother would love you and you insignificant process of making two and two equal four…If this is the true veiw of the government under which I live then I can honestly no longer tolerate the lies and will plan to depart from this nightmare that your kind reffer to as the American dream…Leave YOUR morals out of society and let people live free…If freedom is supressed then uprisings shall take place…Every past revolution has been a revolution of the minorities and if the Republicans create a minority then they will surely be overthrown…THIS IS NOT ONE NATION UNDER GOD…THIS IS A NATION BUILT FOR, BY, AND OF THE PEOPLE NO MATTER WHAT THEIR SEXUAL OR RELIGIOUS PREFERANCE IS…DOWN WITH BIG BROTHER!!!
well.. if the greeks are the big problem.. the ones causing child molestation, homosexuality and so forth.. well for fucks sake lets just have another holocaust.. and on to olympics.. they may have been orgy fests then. but guess what dumbass.. there not now.. why the hell should we boycott olympics.. should we boycott the SPECIAL olympics fucktard??
Shelley, baby….That marble white statue? That’s in Italy babe…not Greece.
Shelley: Your post really astonished me. So many blunders, prejudices and incoherences in that little space… And still you have the shamelessness to announce you’ll travel to Greece? Hey, Greeks! What kind of unforgettable welcome are you planning for this b..ch? I assume they’ll be as warm and hospitable towards you as with anyone else, just because they do not waste their time reading this crappy blog, like I had the misfortune to do!
P.S.: The artworks you dared insert among your trash is too valuable for you to appraise them. The next time, choose some scrawling at your level, you art-knocker!
After reading the above “educated” article…I am Very Upset. The Olympic Games, were NOT set up as “orgies”, but as GAMES dedicated to the GOD ZEUS. IT was also a time that all the City-States made a TRUCE with each other, and all travelers were protected from attacks. Almost all City-States took part in the Olympics. Not like the Olympics that were re-started where Nations “boycotted” because a country that “attacked” another country Waaaay before the Olympics started was participating. And also the Olympics in the Ancient times were NOT Used as a Political KILING Arena as the MODERN Olympics were. I’m amazed that with all the Documentaries on TV now, you were NOT aware of this. I have been reading about the Greek Culture for a VERY long time. And I didn’t even KNOW about the Pedastry and all that you wrote about until way after I was in my adulthood.
As I’ve often told my family, (we are Christians), but this type of Christian thinking the narrow-mindedness, HATRED SPEWING, is the reason People are being turned off from Religion. I really am Sick of Hearing Suppossed Christians say things like: “Oh, we are being persecuted, There are no Bibles or Prayers in Schools anymore.” IF from the article above is any indication, I Would NOT want that type of Christianity being taught to MY Children (if I had any) either.
Oh, and the BIBLE, also has scandals in. INCEST is just the tip of the iceburg. SO before going on about blaming another Culture for the Things that are Wrong about the U.S., THINK.
I do believe that Jesus said something about….REMOVE THE LOG FROM YOUR OWN EYE BEFORE TRYING TO REMOVE THE SPLINTER FROM YOUR BROTHERS. Oh and another good one….HE WHO IS WITHOUT SIN CAST THE FIRST STONE.
I’ll leave off with this….JUDGE NOT LEST YOU BE JUDGED.
The above article written by the author was VERY Judgmental and Not factual. Well…perhaps some of it was. BUT….most were drawn from conclusions that came from a tired mind.
A trip to Greece might open your eyes to the BEAUTYof another Culture. I will PRAY that it does.
PS….Homosexuality has been around Far LONGER than Greece. GET THE FACTS RIGHT Before trying to EDUCATE ANYONE.
I’m British and a christian and I would like to point out that not all christians are as narrow minded to blame the ancient greeks (based on extremely poor research) for any of the so called problems today in america or any other part of the world. I find it insulting to blame gay people for anything but wanting to live their lives how they want to. If God did not want men to sleep with men and women to sleep with women i’m sure he would have stopped it by now.
While I do believe in God I am also educated enough to know that many of the Bible stories are just that…Stories! Most events have no proof they ever happened and many stories mirror other religious stories from the time the bible was written.
Why can’t silly people keep there hatred opinions to themselves? In Afghanistan the Taliban were fighting against the west because we are not following Gods rules, who says who is right. People need to just get on with there own lives and stop interfering with other peoples!!!!
my god…i feel sorry for you that you could read about one of the greatest civilisations in history and completly miss the point…maybe you should try being a bit more analytical of your own society
if people look back on your society in a couple of thousand years and find your artical i imagin americans will be viewed as a bunch of half wit ignoramuses
“Statues like this could be found everywhere in ancient Greece.” Perhaps, but this one was created in Italy 1500 years later by, dare I say it a Christian. Wikipedia lists many copies eg in Buffalo,Las Vegas, and Surfer’s Paradise (surely God’s own country). There’s even one in my local pub, so perhaps we gays are winning (though I haven’t yet noticed any sudden drop in the birhtrate or flowering of queerness…
THE ANCIENT GREEKS WEREN’T PERVERTED. THERE WAY OF LIFE WAS DIFFERENT. IT MAY LOOK PERVERTED TO US BUT CERTAIN STATUES AND THINGS WERE BELIEVED TO BRING FERTILITY AND HEALTH. THE HUMAN BODY WASN’T A TABOO THING. A SET OF BOOBS WALKING DOWN THE STREET DIDN’T OFFEND PEOPLE. WE WOULD ALL BE NAKED STILL IF ADAM AND EVE DIDN’T EAT THE APPLE. AFTER THEY ATE IT THEY REALIZED THEY WERE NAKED. YES PEDERASTY WAS PRACTICED BUT AGAIN THAT IS WHAT THEY BELIEVED WAS RIGHT. TO CRITICIZE IS EASY WHEN YOU DON’T UNDERSTAND.
Tony, you just made me speechless. “A set of boobs walking down the street?” So women are nothing more for you than breasts and a vagina. Are you calling men walking down the street “a walking pair of testicles”? This clearly shows your weak state of mind. You probably yourself are a pederast (pedophile) so that’s why you defend them.
So if everyone does what he/she believes is right, it actually then is? So what Hitler and the Nazis did was right and we shouldn’t judge because that’s what they believed to be right? If terrorists are blowing up buildings and killing people it is ok, because that’s what their towelhead ‘god’ tells them is right?
Please, where ever you are, go, get up and go to a psychiatrist or the next mental hospital asap. Or better yet, go on and kill yourself, the world will be a better place without you.
A SET OF BOOBS A SET OF TESTICLES IT DOESN’T MATTER. YOU TOTALLY MISSED THE POINT. THE POINT WAS THAT IN THEIR WAY OF LIFE STATUES OF NAKED PEOPLE AND PENISES OR WHATEVER WHERE NORMAL. I WASN’T DEFENDING I WAS EXPLAINING. NO I DON’T THINK HITLER WAS RIGHT NOR DO I THINK THE TERRORISTS ARE RIGHT. I AM SMART ENOUGH TO KNOW WHY THEY DO IT AND THEIR REASONING BEHIND IT. YOU HAVE TO KNOW YOUR ENEMY BEFORE YOU CAN DEFEAT THEM. AS FOR CALLING PEOPLE PEDERASTS, WELL….YOUR IGNORANT. AS FOR TELLING SOMEONE TO GO KILL THEMSELVES IT IS YOU WHO NEEDS THE MENTAL HOSPITAL AND MAYBE A PRAYER OR TWO. YOUR IGNORANCE AND UNWILLINGNESS TO LISTEN TO OTHER POINTS OF VIEW ARE APPARENT AND YOU WILL GET NO OTHER RESPONSE FROM ME ON THIS OR ANY OTHER BLOG. ONE MORE THING THIS COMMENT IS IGNORANT “So if everyone does what he/she believes is right, it actually then is?” A JEW BELIEVES THAT THE SON OF GOD HAS NOT COME YET. AS CHRISTIANS WE BELIEVE HE HAS. IN THEIR OPINION THEY ARE RIGHT, IN THEIR POINT OF VIEW THEY ARE RIGHT. IN OUR POINT OF VIEW WE ARE RIGHT. SO WHO IS RIGHT? IT IS ALL WHAT YOU BELIEVE. PERSONALLY, I AM A CHRISTIAN, THEREFORE I BELIEVE THAT I AM RIGHT. AM I TO CONDEMN EVERY JEWISH PERSON I SEE, KNOW OR COME ACROSS? NOW GRANT YOU THERE ARE THINGS THAT ARE JUST PLAIN WRONG, MURDER, RAPE, STEALING, ETC… OPINIONS ARE ANOTHER STORY. POINT OF VIEWS ARE ANOTHER STORY. I AM GOING TO GUESS THAT YOUR AN EVANGELICAL, MOST, THAT I HAVE ENCOUNTERED, WILL NOT LISTEN TO REASON AND ARE VERY RIGID IN THEIR BELIEF. I WILL PRAY FOR YOU.
GOD BLESS
what an Ignorant,sexist,xenophobic,homophobic,overblown Closet Dyke. *stops laughing tears run down her face*
READ A BOOK CUNT.
Hahaha
You know nothing about the world. Michelangelo;s David is one of the most appreciated artworks in the world and it?¢‚Ǩ‚Ñ¢s located in Florence (Italy)
you just want to throw any old thing in there
your manipulation of the truth just makes you look stupid.. well, REVEALS just how stupid you are.
ciao Barbara. im glad you were so turned on for some buttsex after writing your article, that you’ve decided to visit Greece.
you forgot to mention some things…
First, point out that condoms were illegal in Ancient greece. Condoms were conquered in the Trojan war 1250 BC.
Did you know the word “Greece” is derived from an ancient lubricant used for sodomy practices during the annual “Kolara me kreas” festivals held in Argos?
Did you also know that 85% of modern day Greek conversations discuss anal sex?
Did you also know that Ancient Greeks used a primitive form of Invitro fertilization rather than practicing heterosexual relations.
Penetrating goats and sheep was the preferred method to ensure feta cheese had a high enough salt content to complement tomatoes in a “village salad”
Did you know that Greece beat the Italians in ww2 by executing a sneak attack from the front?
Did you know in Greece that Yanni is widely believed to be the 2nd coming of the Jesus. A more “marketable” messiah.
Also point out that since animals were the most sought after spouses, it was only natural that their consumation rituals were adapted to intra-species sexual practice.
Oh woops i just realized something! u wrote this article last year! damn, im always so tardy! and im too lazy to make an actual point here. but cut me some slack my dad just told me about the birds and the bees. now i cant stop thinking about asses.
i whole-heartedly wish that when you go to greece, your connection flight is cancelled, your luggage gets sent to turkey, you get stuck on a bus with no air condition, you sit next to 10 smokers on the 5 hour ferry boat ride, you get taken for a couple extra laps around santorini by a cab driver in a mercedes benz (also smoking) it rains every day, there is a public transportation strike every day you spend in athens, you get sexually harassed by 4 old guys, you get stung by a jelly fish, u step on a sea urchin, u get more sand in your vagina, you get a “bomba” jack and coke (laced with shitwater) , your hotel has teh aircondition unit where u need to place a key in it to work, and u only have 1 key. u eat a gyro and get both mustard and tzatziki on it, ur room is right by the septic tank which is overflowing, moped and motorcycles wake u up constantly, there is a heat wave, and you get F*ked in the KOLO by a heroin addict in OMMONIA.
let me know some of those exciting items can be arranged by yours truly. :)
Are you kidding me? You used the picture of Jesus Christ to cover the sexual parts of those pictures? … Hahahahahahahahahaha what a Jesus freak! You know, I want to say that you should stop trying to figure out where all the fucked up things that happen to your country came from. Don’t forget that the “founding fathers” claimed that they took the Greek system for the government and built on it. So the Greeks are not as bad as you think. Also, you cannot understand the culture of the Greeks by reading a few books! All of a sudden the rednecks in the United States became educated by reading 2 books?
Go back to your trailer, clean your gun
Piso Glendis is my hero. I would drop to my knees and reward him with a scene fit for a red-glaze Attic vase. Thank you Ancient Greece, and thank you Shelley for putting Jesus’ face on the penises of other men, right where he belongs, eh?
While I do see where you are coming from with this (and I do wholeheartedly thank you for covering up the more…revealing images) I have some problems with some things you have written.
1. While I am not disagreeing with any proof you have shown about Greece (for they are for the most part true) I do NOT agree with your thesis. What you are saying is that if the Greeks were not homosexual, than there would be no homosexuality at all. In fact, you even say it downright that they are responsible for every single case. How do you know that if not the Greeks, than the Romans would have become homosexual? How can you POSSIBLY know that homosexuality would cease to exist? In fact, how can you know that homosexuality was first practiced by the Greeks? Simple; you don’t. Nobody does, and what you’re doing is very unfair.
It is common in human behavior to try and put all the blame on others, but honestly–you have absolutely no right to blame EVERY SINGLE gay/lesbian on the Greeks, with no way of telling that if not the Greeks, some other civilization would have practiced it.
2. EVEN if the Greeks WERE homosexuals, why does that make them less smart? Why does that take away from anything? Their ideas influence EVERY SINGLE idea, every single culture, INCLUDING religions such as Christianity, Judaism, and even some Hindi religions reflect Greek ancestry.
The fact is: without Greeks, there would be NO religion, NO philosophy (which the Bible is based on *coughcough*) NO reason, NO society, nothing.
So, really, what you are doing is being nothing but racist and wrong. Not to put it too harshly.
Your evidence is poor, your logic is failing, and, well…it just isn’t right. If the Greeks had orgies and such as you claim, than they did. This does NOT mean that they have no value as a race.
Heavens knows, I can find MANY flaws in Christianity, which is my own religion, that I would have liked fixed. But I prefer to look at the positives, and not the negatives.
Maybe you should credit the Greeks on what they DID accomplish (which is a GREAT deal, if you ever took the time to look into it) instead of what they didn’t.
And just because YOU don’t like it, well…then you don’t like it, and that’s your choice. But PLEASE don’t try and discredit the Greeks…just don’t. It won’t end well for you, and you’ll end up looking silly.
Just the humble opinion of an average person, of course. Maybe you can just think about these things? I hope you do. And I really didn’t mean to offend you, if I did anywhere in the afore information. I was simply pointing out flawed logic.
Peace :)
Barbara, where is your backround from?
Where do I begin? penis in mass? What the F U C K ? You need serious help!!! I highly doubt that anyone asked you to write anything!
You ignorant American HO. Why don’t you learn how to spell first before you write this SHIT ! A couple of books doesn’t make you an expert in anything, certainly not on a complex subject like this one. What book ? Playboy, penthouse, hustler perhaps.
And when you travel with that passport be careful you might find out just how many places in the world you are not welcome! Gruesome creatures like you fuck it up for other americans that work hard and try to make life better.
Please let someone else who knows what they are talking about teach people, with real facts!
You can go back to your copulatory acts with your cousin’s.
And hopefully you will not procreate and infect us with some kind of redneck caucasoid gibbon like you!
I am beginning to believe Lycurgus had the right idea!
Is Wikipedia your only source of information for this article? I wonder if you have consulted any text books on Ancient Greece or any writings from Ancient Greek people? If you had, I wonder if you would have noticed the ancient oppression of women and the fact that women in parts of classical Greece had few rights and were not even citizens. It puzzles me how you can ignore such an important topic yet spend much of your article insulting homosexuality - which, today, causes no harm to anybody. I am repulsed by the racist comments on your page.
Let me just clarify something for louis. You seem to have missed something. Womyn in Ancient Greece were NOT oppressed. They were citizens and they had just as many rights as any man. In fact, womyn were the ones who had the religious power. The so-called whores were the ones who spoke to their gods. The men did have power over the ones they “slept” with. The only way for a person to commune with a god was to please the priestess. Today, people only commune with their god by offering money and pledging loyalty.
As for the fool who wrote the original article, she is completely ignorant of the benefits the Ancient Greeks have given modern society. They invented the road, the aqueduct, and democracy. Reading some of the headlines along the right-hand side of this page has shown me just what kind of a republican, close-minded nit-wit writes crap like this.
The christians (not a typo) who claimed to be enlightened above this post are fooling themselves if they actually think they can argue against this woman while still admitting their religious affiliation. Religion is a divisive thing. It serves only to distance one group from another.
Ultimately, I find these kinds of posts insulting to the entire human species. It is still fascinating to read just what drivel people will inflict on the web.
No one, I mean NO ONE has come close to the acid wit and scorn of Piso glendis’ posting on December 4th, 2007 3:33 am.
Shelley, I’m glad you are who you are and that you proudly call yourself a Republican. That way, as a Democrat, I can point to you and say: “See? See what I mean? That’s what I’m on about! She’s representative of their type.”
George Bush isn’t the only reason the Republican Party will be the minority party for the next two decades.
How about hypocrisy from the religious right who claims that only Christians can be trusted to run the country well? Then you guys go and pick up poor, flaccid Terry Schiavo, drag her around the ballroom and declare she’s waltzing! How about Ted Haggard and his moral crusade? How about doing every wacko, evil thing like stealing elections, concocting bogus casus belli, executing innocent convicts, imprisoning people without habeus corpus then torturing them? And then, after declaring the divine guidance to morality, but doing all these wicked things, you have the impudence turn around and shamelessly declare that we’re all born sinners and “faith, not works, is the only path to salvation.” No wonder more and more young people are staying away from the churches and the ranks of Democrats are swelling. “Conservative” is the new embarrassment.
For you to proclaim yourself Republican is nothing but a free gift to Democrats: Gracias!
Did the Ancient Greeks even know anything about chocolate pianos? It seems unlikely. Give me a ticket for an aeroplane, and then I can fly to Athens covered in whale-hunting daisies. Thank you for setting us straight.
Annoyed American
I agree with much of what you say. But no, women were not citizens. What is your source for this comment?
Gotta love the poorly photoshopped pictures of Jesus perfoming oral sex on those men/boys. Kudos.
Oh come on… What the hell is wrong with you For heavens sake dis stuff is aqll over go onto wikipedia and find out der were mayans chinese and other asian pedastry all over so please continue going on about your sad little life and 4get wat da Greek said to you all Greeks are Biased it’s a known fact so next time you want to pick on a culture look at your own first.
The Greeks were just a different society with deferent beliefs and customs saying that God would destroy them for there differences is like saying I should be destroyed by God because im blond and different from most of the population! You are a fool! I thought you typed this purely as informational but now I see your another idiot that thinks that your way of belief is superior to others and that your god will destroy all non believers. Well guess what asshole!! Most religions are basically the same!! Go do some actual unbiased research and you’ll learn something you brain washed dumb ass!! These people went from banging rocks on rocks to running water on a deferent continent! Of cores there gonna have a different belief system! And any god that would topple a civilization because you didn’t like it is no god at all. What happened to gods infinite wisdom and love ey? Those city of sin he supposedly destroyed? Well guess what, some natural disaster blue them to fucking smithereens! so every one tried make themselves feel better by saying they pissd God off until the actually believed it!! Don’t believe everything you hear or read you idiot! The bible was written hundreds of years ago and translated, poorly, repeatedly!! Hell I wouldn’t be surprised if the noble priests that were coping it didn’t take out the stuff they didn’t like!! Live your life to the fullest and thank God for the time you’ve had when you die, that’s it its so simple mentally handicapped people do it every day!! Go out and live your life! If you really want to make a deferens try to make life a little better for some one don’t go over the past and bitch about it! Oh and being gay is a anomaly commonly found in all mammals! So ha!! Vampire bats actually have the highest rate of homosexuality of all mammals so go eat shit and die!!!