Let’s put Christ back into Christmas: The Reason for the season
Soon it will be Christmas! Christmas!
As Billy Bob Neck put it so eloquently in his video yesterday: “Christmas.”
And, I’m not sorry if this offends any liberals out there, but that means it’s Christ’s birthday. The day that our LORD and savior came to earth for our sins.
Some Liberals seem to have forgotten this fact. If you make the mistake of going into a Gap store this Christmas, for instance, you’d think we were celebrating some kind of pagan feast day, instead of the night that angels sang our LORD to earth. The Gap, scared of offending non-Christians with reminders that they’re wrong and going to hell, have silenced the name of our LORD in all their stores.
Those patriots at the American Family Association have been investigating and the results are just shocking.
“Gap, which owns Old Navy, Banana Republic, Forth & Towne and Piperlime, has become the latest politically correct retailer, intentionally censoring the use of ‘Christmas’ in their in-store, online and printed advertising,” said Donald Wildmon, founder of the American Family Association.
“As hard as we tried,” the Christian founder continued, “AFA could not find a single instance in which Gap-owned stores use the term ‘Christmas.’ Not a single time! When one Old Navy store manager was asked by AFA if the word Christmas was in his store, he answered, ‘We have a lot of Christmas gifts in our stores, but the word Christmas is not used here. Everything is holiday.’ Gap wants you to do your Christmas shopping with them, but they don’t want to mention the Reason for the season. Gap doesn’t want to offend non-Christians by using Christmas. The fact that their censoring the use of Christmas might offend Christians seems to be of no importance.”
How right he is! Why do liberals insult us by ignoring the Greatest Story Ever Told, by turning their backs on the love of Christ. Shame on them!
Without Christ, Iraq has turned into a living hell.
Are they scared of Jesus?
Well I’ve got news. Good news! They might turn their backs on the LORD, but He isn’t ever going to forsake them. Especially not on His birthday.
So today, and over the next few days, before you do the Christian thing and tuck into some fine food and give some good gifts, I want you to remember the liberals in your prayers. Pray that the gifts they get this holiday remind them of the greatest gift of all. The gift of love from God: His one and only son Jesus Christ. The reason that we have Christmas.
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Is this website a joke?
It must be. I can’t imagine someone so fit for a straight jacket wandering the streets…If you’re not joking…Well…I hope the men in the white suits catch up to you soon, you psychopath…
XD SOYBEANS causing homosexuality? You’re off your rocker.
Not all Christians celebrate Christmas,some even think it’s sinful like the Pilgrims did! Check out these links: Was Christ Born on Christmas Day?> The Good News:November/December http://www.gnmagazine.org/issues/gn43/bornchristmas.htm & Christmas is Pagan: http://www.jesus-messiah.com/html/christmas.html By the way,under Saddam’s regime there were Christians in Iraq! Under the current Shia regime due to the Islamic government & the war,Christians are leaving in fear for their lives! And not all Palestinians are Muslim,many are Christian & suffer racist Zionist Israeli persecution!
Oh the Liberal Lies…
It is true that soy will not turn an adult male homosexual. However, soy consumption reduces the level of dihydrotestosterone (DHT) which in turn reduces the adult male’s libido. Rumor has it this is exactly what celibate pagan monks in Asia consumed large amounts of soy as this destruction of libido was a desired effect.
In male children, this lack of libido makes the boys confused as they enter puberty and because they feel no drive toward girls, they are more vulnerable to the sway of the of homosexual agenda.
Of course no substance can turn anyone gay, it is something they must choose. That said, a liberal, hippy, soy-eating family displaying tolerance toward the most deviant behaviors (like homosexuality) and a chemically induced departure from their normal development makes this choice inevitable.
As for you William, of course Christmas is a pagan holiday… before Jesus was born, his birth was prophesized by all and these people, who were not Jews, but Pagan (because Jesus is the one true LORD) celebrated his birth for centuries in expectation of the actual event. Once Jesus was born and his teachings known, these pagans became Christian and they holiday shifted from one of anticipation to one of celebration and gift giving in honor of the gift of Jesus to us all.
This is a similar situation with Israel, for the rapture and judgment day to occur, the Jews must occupy the holy land, Jesus will not feel loved enough if we allow his home to be abandoned. The terrorist and their liberal sympathizers, like yourself, wish to hand this land over to our enemies because you fear judgment day, no matter what you may say, deep in your heart lurks the fear, the knowledge that you will be lost to hell.
Jesus bless and keep you!
catch
Resurrect Regan in 2008!!
“Jesus gave us Christmas. Why do liberals try to deny this? Why do they write ?¢‚Ǩ?°?É‚Äû?ɬ?Season?¢‚Ǩ?°?É‚Äû?ɬ¥s Greetings?¢‚Ǩ?°?É‚Äû?ɬ? in their Christmas cards? Why do they call it the winter holiday? What?¢‚Ǩ?°?É‚Äû?ɬ¥s wrong with them?”
Well, some don’t celebrate Christmas. Some people actually choose to follow another religion, which is their absolute right within this country, since there is such a thing of separation of church and state (or there’s supposed to be, anyway).
It’s not that people deny that “Jesus gave Christmas”. It’s that a lot of people don’t celebrate it, and “Season’s Greetings” is more general of a greeting. And it is a winter holiday. There’s nothing wrong with accepting that other people may not share the same beliefs and celebrate in the same way, therefore assumptions need not be made.
I don’t eat ham.
Gap is “most politically incorrect”??? You then have pityful understanding what politically correct is. And offending Christians? Come on! If on 15th December there was ‘O Hannukah’ all over the commercial world, what would you do? I know what you’d do: rail against the Jews, sue them, molest them for the sheer cheek of publicly celebrating their own holiday.
Yule before Christmas. Almost all world cultures celebrate winter solstice in that context or other… long before Jesus. I’m, too, starting to sound like a broken record.
Are you saying that you cannot love another without loving Jesus?
Well no, Jesus didn’t give you the Christmas. You built them upon his myth.
I’m not scared of Jesus. I’m scared of bigotted, extremist, fundamentalist freaks like the STR gang.
Slovak Guy
Tessa, old friend, I don’t know what disgusts me more, your cowardice or your stupidity.
This is “One nation under God” and “in God we trust.” There is but one God, one LORD, Jesus H. Christ. Only cowards are pluralists, who lack the conviction and the strength of faith to say “My faith is right and the rest of you, no matter how well meaning will burn in hell!”
The only reason it is legal to not believe in Jesus is so that these heretics don’t hide and can be easily identified.
Clearly “Season’s Greetings!” is a slight against our LORD, otherwise why not say this year round? It is always some season, after all. No, the sole intent is to debase Christmas wishes, which unlike other holidays extend past the actual day itself, so significant the birth of our LORD is.
Accepting other people’s beliefs is a gateway behavior toward occultism, sodomy, murder, and eventually even not supporting our troops! The fact that you would suggest such an action clearly indicates that your only goal is to dilute and subvert this great nation. Like I said, you disgust me.
Jesus bless and keep you!
catch
Resurrect Regan in 2008!!
Here from the wiccan community, we wish you a happy Yule day
:)
FACT: Atheists celebrate Christmas. :S
Why do you think that is, STR?
Now if you’ll excuse me, I have a ferry to the Isle of White to catch. See you losers in a week!
Merry Christmas!
It is ok to live in neutral environment. Where is not only one way of belive, opinion, idea followed and implanted to mind of undecided ones. It is better to see things from own perspective then from rigid perspective of relion follower.
If you think about it, you will find that there is no reason to belive in fiddle-faddle God who will send you to the hell for every stupid thing, that str say is bad.
Problems in middle east is caused because it is cradle of three major religions. And dead of so much people is caused by people not God. One group thinks that their God wants them to fight for this piece of desert land. Other group thinks that their God wants the same..
If God has balls he could come and sove the situtation as he did in similar cases in the bible(Babylon, Flood,..). But it is only nice stories without truth in them.
Albert, a wiccan? I have two suggestions for you:
1. Find your penis, you seem to have lost it.
2. You can’t possibly think that the religion you purchased from Hot Topic will provide you any salvation or Truth.
We appreciate your well wishes, just as we in turn with you a Merry Christmas, even though you will spend eternity burning with your yule log.
Also, you do know that yule and solstice celebrations predating Christianity were merely worshiping the Christ prophecy, right? Other mythic heroes helped prepare the people for the coming of Christ, thus these holidays became Christmas.
To continue celebrating the older holidays is the sin of rejecting our LORD, you celebrate his coming, but never give thanks for God actually delivering Jesus to us.
Vash, it is NOT ok to live in a neutral environment, that is called “pluralism” and it is the insult and rejection of our LORD. There is one Truth, one God, and one LORD.
The problems in the Middle East are the direct result of the moon worshipers trying to trying to drive the Israelites out of the holy land so that Christ cannot return as soon and their sinning can continue for a little longer.
God has solved the problem, he has given his followers, the Christian American public the most poweful army in the world, but Liberals and pluralists like yourself cripple it from within. For this act of holy treason, you and all like you will burn for eternity!
Jesus bless and keep you!
catch
Resurrect Regan in 2008!!
catch, you’re just so funny.
You look like a caricature of a Middle-Age inquisitor.
I find people who are so sure to be right without ever trying to justify themselves soooo funny…
Thanks for all.
Nice to see a couple of true CHRISTians in the responses this morning instead of the usual bunch of whiney commies, liberals, homos, lezbos, vegetarians, foreigners and nut cases. I don’t go into those yuppie Gap stores anyway but now now I really hate their guts. In fact I think I’m going to go down and talk to the manager this morning about his Devil and liberal controlled organization. If he gives me any lip I may just deck him and throw a wreath around his neck! I am just full of the CHRISTmas spirit this morning (thanks to my friend Jack Daniels!) which makes me one ornery old SOB (forgive my French) but still a God loving one. The Fernley family sends best CHRISTmas wishes to all the wonderful operators of this site and CHRISTian Republicans across this great country. The rest of you people will burn in Hell! God is love! Jarvis Fernley has spoken!
AHAHA! Kudos to the Wiccan guy!
And catch. Give me proof of god and I’ll give you faith in him.
A bit off the subject, but most extremely devout Christians despise Harry Potter, correct? Didn’t your god supposedly create the world from scratch? Conjured it up right out of thin air, no? Transfigured Adam’s rib into Eve? I may be losing my mind, but that sounds like magic to me.
Impossible magic, by the way. Seeing as Harry Potter is simply a children’s story and a stomping well-written one at that.
Just to clear things up for you so you don’t have to make false accusations, I’m an atheist, a liberal, and a bisexual. Suck on that.
idiots, irak is full of dead bodies coz of you. YOU killed them.
catch, I’m not a terrorist sympathizer nor am I a socialist liberal! My opinions on foreign policy are the same as the founding fathers & Republican congressman Ron Paul(TX) as he stated in his article,The Original Foreign Policy: http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul356.html And as for the Zionist state of Israel, I suggest you go to this website to learn the truth about Zionism: http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com & read this article entitled: The Khazars Kingdom,Gog and Magog,Jewish Khazars: http://www.apfn.org/THEWINDS/library/khazars.html
You people call yourself Christians? You all give religion a bad name! Like most Republicans it might help if you got laid once in a while but you haven’t got a clue about that either do you? Screw all of you pompous fools!
“1. Find your penis, you seem to have lost it.” - is it not funny how the intellectually-challenged always have to resort to insult, usually followed by violence?
“the sin of rejecting our LORD” - difficult for you to understand it may be, but as so many (the majority on this planet, for a start) reject your lord, it is not actually a sin in their eyes. Try to be less bigoted and more open-minded.
If there were a god, he, she or it doesn’t seem to be doing a very good job, in my humble opinion.
“The rest of you people will burn in Hell! God is love!” - a strange juxtaposition, don’t you think? And who are you to say who is going to burn in your imaginary hell?
“Jarvis Fernley has spoken!” - Yawn!
“Resurrect Regan in 2008!!” - don’t you mean Reagan? Or do you refer to the one in King Lear?
Catch
Maybe you don’t know (probably, since your knowledge is just the Bible) but not only women can be wiccans :)
I accept your Merry Christmas. The most important thing is that we are celebrating the winter solstice, the end of the year, and a new cicle to begin. It don’t matter how you want to call it. We are all celebrating the same.
And by the way, give me facts that proof ancient north spanish celts (from which i’m a descendant), gauls, and british celts rituals were celebrating Christ adveniment, and I will trust you.
By the way, there is 8 mayor celebrations on the Celt calendar… the Yule day is just one of them ^^
Have a Happy Yule day :)
Jessica.
Many thanks for your words :) kudos to you too!! :D
But Harry potter is not wiccan :) there is a small but crucial difference between arcan magic (that is, Harry potter magic) and wiccan rituals. We are not mages. :)
Kenny, that’s completely uncalled for, be it true or not.
Besides, if you want anyone to take you seriously when you comment on things like this, you might like to use proper grammar and spelling. Just a tip.
LOL, Albert. I know Harry Potter is not Wiccan :3
I didn’t mean a connection between the two, HP was just another subject I wanted to mention. I once explored the Wiccan faith, but found that I prefer an existence without religion. I also explored Christianity and other religions before coming to the conclusion that I have no need for religion.
I’m perfectly happy without it. :)
Catch:
HAHA that’s hilarious.
So I actually have respect for other people’s beliefs, whether I follow them or not. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, as well as faith.. Whatever works for you, fine. But I’m not going to insult you for your beliefs. What I disagree with are those that claim they are absolutely right when there is absolutely no proof. Who the hell are you to say “my faith is right and yours is wrong”? The Bible was written by men, and translated a half zillion times, so until I see a book written by something from another plane of existence, I’m not going to go around saying which faith is right or wrong. But, again, you’re entitled to believe whatever makes sense to you.
The reason it’s legal not to believe in Jesus is because there’s a thing called freedom of religion in this country…what disgusts me are those that ignore this and do not observe it, especially those who are die-hard patriots and don’t have tolerance for such “freedom”.
“Accepting other people?¢‚Ǩ?°?É‚Äû?ɬ¥s beliefs is a gateway behavior toward occultism, sodomy, murder, and eventually even not supporting our troops!”
Hey, you deleted the last bit:
“Accepting other people?¢‚Ǩ?°?É‚Äû?ɬ¥s beliefs is a gateway behavior toward occultism, sodomy, murder, and eventually even not supporting our troops!”
Murder? That’s a bit much. Just because someone does not believe fully in a historical figure does not mean she has no morals. Most of my values do follow the Christian beliefs I was originally taught. And though I don’t support the reason we’re at war, I recently was part of a fundraiser to help buy armor for some of the soldiers that have none. I do support life, not war.
Resurrect Regan? Ew.
(I apologize for the double-post, it was pasted incorrectly the first time.)
Is there any difference between this article and the last 10 or so? No. Then what?Ǭ¨?Ǭ•s the purpose of that baffling?
Chrismas is btw a pagan celebraion that was taken over by the church.
And WHO THE FUCK cares if someone calls it Christmas, Holidays or whatever? It?Ǭ¨?Ǭ•s the spirit that counts!
Muslims don?¢‚Ǩ?°?É‚Äû?ɬ¥t have Jesus and look at the mess in their war-torn countries.
There?Ǭ¨?Ǭ•s only a mess where there are americans… The Saudis, not having to bear an army of invaders at their front door, are doing fine.
As for you William, of course Christmas is a pagan holiday?¢‚Ǩ?°?É‚Äû?Ǭ? before Jesus was born, his birth was prophesized by all and these people, who were not Jews, but Pagan (because Jesus is the one true LORD) celebrated his birth for centuries in expectation of the actual event. Once Jesus was born and his teachings known, these pagans became Christian and they holiday shifted from one of anticipation to one of celebration and gift giving in honor of the gift of Jesus to us all.
1. They were forced to become christians. Forced.
2. There are still pagans celebrating that night. As a pagan celebration. Screws your argument.
This is a similar situation with Israel, for the rapture and judgment day to occur, the Jews must occupy the holy land, Jesus will not feel loved enough if we allow his home to be abandoned. The terrorist and their liberal sympathizers, like yourself, wish to hand this land over to our enemies because you fear judgment day, no matter what you may say, deep in your heart lurks the fear, the knowledge that you will be lost to hell.
1. Then why the jews? They don?Ǭ¨?Ǭ•t even believe in Jesus being the son of god.
2. If you really think that the liberals will hand over Israel to the palestinians, then I pity you.
Oh, and catch: Attacking people ad hominem makes your comments really look reasonable.
and eventually even not supporting our troops!
The only thing a reasonable man should support is the following strategy described by five words:
OK. On the plane. NOW!
the Christian American public the most poweful army in the world
The most powerful army in the world. Unable to contain some ramshackle militias in Iraq. Now that tells us a lot.
Oh, and seeing that by your definition like 95% of the world go to hell, I?Ǭ¨?Ǭ•d not like it to be in heaven when Armageddon breaks loose…
The German Guy
IMPEACH BUSH!
IT Fan, yeah my copy of Malleus Maleficarum has gotten a lot of wear. It was the first book done with movable type ya know. The second was the bible of course.
Jessica, if you do not have proof of God in the beautiful splendor in the world around you, in your lover’s eyes, then I pity you. The proof of Gods love envelops us constantly, you must be blind or jaded to miss it.
Acts of God are “magic” and there is no issue with that, humans that are so prideful as to attempt to play in Gods realm are the offense.
Your being an athiest, liberal, bisexual tells me that you are alone, misguided, and confused. This doesn’t upset me, it merely makes me pray for you.
William, you are a Nazi, Jew-hater, plain and simple. I want no part of you. Doesn’t mean Jesus doesn’t love you, I just feel kinda dirty after brushes with Nazis.
Christophe, when have I become violent? I just wonder why a male would seek such a trite, emasculating religion. Some gender identity issues must be present.
People may reject Jesus openly, but if they didn’t know deep in their heart that he is the one true LORD, they would be able to ignore him instead of going to communities like this and attacking his followers.
Who are you to call my beliefs imaginary, you don’t know what I know, you’ve not seen what I’ve seen, or lived what I’ve lived. Is this all part of the Liberal Tolerance I hear so much about?
Yes, Reagan… I made a typo and then copied and pasted it… you must have confused this with a proofreading community.
Albert, how kind of you to make assumptions on the summation of my knowledge. What you don’t know is that Wicca is a trendy “religion” now that has it’s roots in alchemy and psychodelic mushrooms that women would smash into a paste, coat the handle of a broom and masturbate their way to a faux spiritual experience. Where does your broom go my friend? If you think I am making this up, do a little research.
I do not celebrate the solstice as the end of the year, because it isn’t the end of the year. Westerners celebrate the end of the year in Dec 31 and in the southern hemisphere it isn’t even winter, not to mention the Chinese, Jewish, or Islamic calenders.
You want proof that those religions celebrated the prophecy of Christ? Well, their mythic heroes lived exactly as Jesus, born under a star and a tyrannical government that tried to kill them right to dying on a hilltop. Find one mythic hero from these pagan religions that didn’t follow this formula and then when Christ was born, they converted once they were witness to Christ.
Tessa, who am I to say that my faith is right and yours isn’t? Well, as I stated above, my faith didn’t come with a Hot Topic price tag attached.
Freedom of religion? Yes, you are free to do what you like, so long as you do not aide terrorism of other subversions of the nation via sodomy, women voters, beastiality, evolution, or other means. The liberals have made these actions legal, but just keep in mind that you will burn in hell, and that is a choice.
Jesus bless and keep you!
catch
Zombie Reagan in 2008!
FYI #1: Not Everybody celebrates “Christmas.” How would you feel if you were told “Happy Hannukah?” Saying “Happy Holidays” includes everybody.
FYI #2: The Winter Solstice is the REAL “reason for the season.”
Let me know if you have any questions.
“Albert, how kind of you to make assumptions on the summation of my knowledge. What you don?¢‚Ǩ?°?É‚Äû?ɬ¥t know is that Wicca is a trendy ?¢‚Ǩ?°?É‚Äû?ɬ?religion?¢‚Ǩ?°?É‚Äû?ɬ? now that has it?¢‚Ǩ?°?É‚Äû?ɬ¥s roots in alchemy and psychodelic mushrooms that women would smash into a paste, coat the handle of a broom and masturbate their way to a faux spiritual experience. Where does your broom go my friend? If you think I am making this up, do a little research.”
Catch
My apologies for saying that your knowledge is just the Bible. Seem you are not like the STR staff.
Next, where do you find those “researchs” about the wiccan community and religion? Since I’m a full member of it, it is funny to see you trying to teach me about. Maybe I’m just an acolyte, not a priest, or a priestess (indeed, one friend of mine is Priestess of the Moon “Ok, no warcraft III jokes please…”) but I have been in the community for a long time.
I have never seen anything of what you are saying, so I think it is you which need to do some research. Maybe for the next full moon we can invite you to our reunion. :)
Wiccan roots are in the celts religion, and druidical rituals, not alchemy. Alchemy is just the opposite to wiccan.
Jessica
I also though that I was happy without religion, but now I’m happier even.
Maybe some day we can invite you to our reunions :)
Best wishes!
I don’t need “Jesus” and I don’t need you or anyone else to pray for me, catch. XD I’d prefer if you didn’t, which will probably only make you do it more. *rolls her eyes*
The beauty of the world is questionable, if you ask me. With such beauty comes such filth and I don’t see that either are created by God. I see beauty, created by nature, and filth, created by man.
Some things manmade are still beautiful, but I’ve yet to see religion as one of them.
“my faith didn?¢‚Ǩ?°?É‚Äû?ɬ¥t come with a Hot Topic price tag attached.”
Hot Topic price tag….lol…that’s funny.
And you say people are free to believe what they want, however you condemn their decisions very harshly, and are quick to accuse their character and make generalizations that come way out of left field. Murderer? All because someone accepts other people’s beliefs? I’m sorry, but I don’t understand.
Jessica said earlier that she was an athiest, a liberal and a bisexual. Holy crap! A three time loser! Don’t you get the impression you wouldn’t want to be in the same room…or same state…or same country with this crazy lezbo bitch? Just asking!
catch, I am NOT a Nazi(National Socialist) or Jew hater! I hate fascism & racism! I hate racist ZIONIST FASCISM including “Christian” Zionism! Zionists are not Torah believing Jews! Zionism is the same perversion of Judaism as the Pharisees! Zionism is related to Luciferianism,not Judaism! The Zionist modern state of Israel was created by the socialist globalist United Nations! Christians aren’t allowed to bring a New Testament into Israel or convert Jews! Palestinian Christians are barred from marrying Jews & are discriminated against based on their race! The leftist Zionist ADL are behind a federal bill to silence anyone who dares to say anything politically incorrect about protected groups! That not only includes criticizing Zionists,but banning churches from saying homosexuality is a sin,among other things! Whatever one feels about subjects such as Zionism or homosexuality,silencing critics is censorship,plain & simple! Controversial talk radio & this website among many others will be shut down if this bill passes! The Reverend Ted Pike has a website exposing the “hate speech” bill at: http://www.truthtellers.org
Christ, Bud. I wouldn’t be caught dead in a room with you either.
XD
And, as I plainly stated, I’m not a lesbian. I’m simply open-minded. :3 If your aim was to hurt my feelings, let me be the first to inform me that you’ve failed miserably.
Prod German, how can you force someone to believe something? I have an idea, go to Ireland, and tell them that they were forced to be Catholic and that they should give it up. If they were truly forced, they would be grateful for your insight and convert immediately back to worshiping trees and such.
The liberals will hand over Israel, not directly, but indirectly by pulling economic and military support. This may be a shock to you, but Israel has basically one export, the repackage American weapons, like the Harpoon Missile and sell them to nations that US companies are not allowed to sell weapons to, like China, where they can rename the product something like Silkworm Missle.
If we pull these weapons from Israel, they will collapse almost immediately.
Also, I have no need to be reasonable, I am on God’s side. Everything that doesn’t make sense is because it is being twisted up by that Liberal Logic.
Well not Jews specifically, any children of Zion will do, but the Jews have the benefit of meeting this criteria while being expendable as non-belivers. Two birds with one stone is just good sense.
“OK. One the plane NOW” Is that what the terorists would say after the liberals flash their big yellow guts before they flee from Iraq?
We are having problems with Iraq because the liberals and their bleeding hearts don’t let us just take a scorched earth policy, no, we have to try and help these sinners, creating 50,000 American casualties in the process. :(
FreeThinker, winter solstice has nothing to do with the reason or spirit of the season, we don’t say “Season’s Greetings” during summer solstice. Had Jesus never been blessed upon us, we’d still be celebrating myths awaiting Jesus, not marveling over how long the night is.
Albert, you’re a “full member” of the wiccan community? meaning that a few of your friends are wiccan and they let you in? What an odd choice of religions that you need to be a member as we are all members of Christianity by virtue of being children of God.
Alchemy is not the opposite of wicca, wiccan women practiced medicine through the mixing of herbs and such… and where do you think the idea of witches riding brooms originated from?
Jesus bless and keep you.
catch
Zombie Reagan in 2008!!
catch : Thanks. I didn’t even know what was the Malleus Maleficarum.
Now thanks to you and Wikipedia, I know..
My original point in my first comment was about how narrow minded & hypocritical the STR crew is in their interpretation of Christianity & their insistence on how to celebrate Christmas which some Christians can argue isn’t even Biblical! My beliefs are actually similar to Martin Zender’s http://www.martinzender.com My political beliefs lean toward antiwar libertarian(Yes,being antiwar doesn’t automatically make you a socialist liberal!)which gets confusing as pointed out in Anthony Gregory’s article “Left,Right,Moderate and Radical”: http://www.lewrockwell.com/gregory/gregory127.html Like Ralph Epperson,I subscribe to the conspiratorial view of history: http://www.ralphepperson.com I believe 9/11 was an inside job http://www.911truth.org I also believe the War on Terror is a racket like most wars are as Major General Smedley Butler,USMC wrote in his book War is a Racket in 1933! http://lexrex.com/enlightened/articles/warisaracket.htm I believe Secular radical Zionism has a lot to do with the War on Terror,they hate all Christians,Torah believing Jews,Arabs(racially semitic) & Muslims,even moderate ones(Yes,they do exist)alike! They are similar in their genocidal plans as the Nazis! http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com
I wouldnt want to be on the same freaking planet as that Jessica bimbo. I bet they have her picture next to the definition of “skank” in the dictionary. Catch you da’ man! Billby Bob you da’ man! Tristan Shrubbbery you da’ man! Mr. Johnston you da’ man! Shelley you really da’ woman! Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all on the brave Christian operators of this site. We may make it to 2008 after all!
Prod German, how can you force someone to believe something?
*cough* crusades *cough* forced conversion *cough*
I have to do something about that cold. :)
I am on God?¢‚Ǩ?°?É‚Äû?ɬ¥s side.
How do you know? Did HE tell you?
?¢‚Ǩ?°?É‚Äû?ɬ?OK. One the plane NOW?¢‚Ǩ?°?É‚Äû?ɬ? Is that what the terorists would say after the liberals flash their big yellow guts before they flee from Iraq?
We are having problems with Iraq because the liberals and their bleeding hearts don?¢‚Ǩ?°?É‚Äû?ɬ¥t let us just take a scorched earth policy, no, we have to try and help these sinners, creating 50,000 American casualties in the process. :(
1. The situation in Iraq now can be described in one word: FUBAR. You seem to think the same.
2. If there?Ǭ¨?Ǭ•s no big change in strategy, you have to pull out. And it?Ǭ¨?Ǭ•s better to pull out hard and fast then to stay for another two years loosing even more people.
3. Scorched earth? Wow, now that will make almost every single muslim on this planet go nuts on you. It would play directly into Osama?Ǭ¨?Ǭ•s hands. And of course, it aren?Ǭ¨?Ǭ•t even al quaeda doing the worst things in Iraq,it?Ǭ¨?Ǭ•s those militias which are basically fighting a civil war. And of course all the oil would go to hell. Let alone the diplomatic issues. (No one reallylikes a mass murder.)
About that Christmas or not stuff: Everyone should greet as he sees fit. Heck, instead of arguing around over silly words, why don?Ǭ¨?Ǭ•t we just make our peace for now and have some happy holidays/ celebrations/ chrismas/ whatever you call it.
we are all members of Christianity by virtue
No. Baptism. Then you?Ǭ¨?Ǭ•re a christian.
The German Guy
IMPEACH BUSH!
catch: Oh, I forgot:
I won?Ǭ¨?Ǭ•t even adress that chauvinism you are showing up there. Just don?Ǭ¨?Ǭ•t judge people about their gender, mmmkay? Humans are individuals that don?Ǭ¨?Ǭ•t fit into cliches, mmkay?
(The same goes for religion, nationality, age, etc….)
William, “Christians” who claim Christmas isn’t biblical are merely liberals pretending to be Christians to confuse the issue. I would this sort of nefarious lying would go against their bleeding hearts value system, but their hypocrisy is clearly boundless.
Wow, so you’re a Christian hating, Jew hating, Nazi, conspiracy theorist? Clearly your abilities are wasted on this site, you should be off solving crimes, curing homosexuality, or implementing some sort of final solution to the illegal alien question.
Proud German, you can force someone to go through the conversion, but this is not what happened, those nations, like Ireland are fiercely Christian, not just people who were forced to do a ceremony.
Yes, God did tell through his messenger Jesus H. Christ, he gave me a thumbs up and told me that if I helped identify and isolate sinners, making judgment day easier, I’d be on the fast track to heaven.
Wow, every muslim might hate me, boo hoo, what are they gonna do? Crash a plan into my home? They are too busy rioting over Family Circus to pull themselves up out of abject poverty, much less to pull together any sort of effective plan like that. yes, yes, 9/11… well even a broken clock is right twice a day.
Why would the oil go to hell? You don’t need to literally burn everything, I am sure Jesus has given us lethal viruses that only target muslim DNA.
Everyone greeting as they see fit is pluralism, there is only one Truth, deviation is sinning and an insult. Honestly, what other holidays this time of year mean anything anyhow? Christians dropped the Jewish holidays because they are boring, “Wow, you managed to conserve oil, damned hippies.” And Kwanzaa? Black people don’t have souls, their celebrations are not spiritual, just merely reflex responses to external stimuli, hence they are so driven by musical beats, sports, and shiny objects.
Jesus bless and keep you.
catch
Zombie Reagan in 2008!
Wow, every muslim might hate me, boo hoo, what are they gonna do? Crash a plan into my home? They are too busy rioting over Family Circus to pull themselves up out of abject poverty, much less to pull together any sort of effective plan like that. yes, yes, 9/11?¢‚Ǩ?°?É‚Äû?Ǭ? well even a broken clock is right twice a day.
Problem is that there are
1. A lot more muslims than christians overall (counting katholics, orthodox christians etc in).
2. Some not quite that poor ones. Ever heard of Saudi Arabia? Heck, they even fund terror organisations while your country looks the other way, because of the oil.
Why would the oil go to hell? You don?¢‚Ǩ?°?É‚Äû?ɬ¥t need to literally burn everything, I am sure Jesus has given us lethal viruses that only target muslim DNA.
If they find out, they may just give you a last present by setting a torch to the wells.
Black people don?¢‚Ǩ?°?É‚Äû?ɬ¥t have souls
So where exactle tells the bible such bovine excrement?
And I will stay my course. Call it what you want, as long as you have the right spirit for the holidays.
The German Guy
(Making a christmas break.)
Christianity is still the largest religion, the liberals, homosexuals, and terrorist have made islamic moon worship the fastest growing lie.
Only whites are decended from Adam and Eve, all other races are related to other animals, (blacks from monkeys, asians from rabbits, and in the case of arabs from a towel that has been used to clean up feces, etc) and thus have no souls.
Stay the course? Like the say, you can lead a kraut to the truth, but you can’t make it think.
catch
East meets west, Jesus with a katana, have you been naughty or nice this Christmas?
catch, Celebrate Christmas however you want & stop whining about someone else not celebrating by your rules! Other people celebrate differently or not at all,get over it! That was the point I was trying to make! You’re just like the STR crew,trying to shove your hate-filled & warped hypocritical dogma down everybody’s throats! If someone contradicts you in any way or expresses beliefs & ideas you don’t agree with or understand,you smear them with ad hominem attacks, calling them Nazis,Christian haters,Jew haters,terrorist loving liberals,etc.ad nauseum! I’m not a Nazi(National Socialist) or a left-liberal because I’m not a SOCIALIST!!! Nor do I care to go about curing gays,that’s up to God because I don’t want to play God with other peoples lives,unlike elitist Republicrats,Demopublicans & other ruling elitists with their plans for a New World Order(one world totalitarian socialist government)! And I don’t believe in a “final solution” for anybody,unlike STR Republicrats when it comes to Muslims & Arabs! Since you like to call people names,here’s one for you! You are a racist apostate “Christian”,a Republicrat social control freak & a Zionazi cheerleading “der Muslim-rat” Final Solution! You’re a damn sight closer to being a Nazi than I’ll ever dream of being in my worst nightmares! At least when I call someone names,the name fits!
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catch, now you know I’m also Danny Ditto like I know Jarvis is also Mike! Like Jarvis & the rest of the STR crew,you have a world view about a foot wide & an inch deep,hate anyone different & stick narrow labels on them that may or may not be even remotely close to what they’re all about! You can’t tolerate Christians who don’t believe exactly as you do & you hate any other religious beliefs so you resort to name calling since you hate freedom of religion unless it’s your brand of religion! You don’t understand other political ideas such as libertarianism,”Old Right” paleo-conservatism,anti-zionism or the conspiratorial view of history! You really don’t want to understand since it’s not just like your version of Republican group-think so you yell “Nazi”,”terrorist-loving liberal”,”Christian hater” & “Jew hater” at those who dare to have such political beliefs! You hate anybody who thinks for himself,especially if they think “outside the box” so you shove them into a box you can easily hurl your venom at from your rigid conformist self- righteous stance!
I hope that you can one day learn to have your own beliefs AND respect everyone elses. If God exists, God will judge others, NOT YOU.
Happy Holidays
(emphasis on HOLIDAYS)
Are you insane?
You honestly can’t believe all of this, I mean, noone can be this, dumb.
Jesus, although he was a historical figure, is not proven to be, nor will he ever be proven to be, a holy figure in any way, shape, or form.
Also, Christmas day, December 25th, HAS been proven not to be Jesus’ birthday.
Christianity tried to convert pagans during the roman empire era by saying they could still celebrate “Saturnalia” a holiday of drinking, raping women, beating jews, and singing naked in the streets.
Merry Fucking Christmas.
Seriously. Why should you be offended by The Gap? Because they don’t swing towards your favor? If they are offending you by not saying merry christmas, shove it up your ass. If you think you’re so special, what about anyone else that practices or believes in something else. Should not they be offended just as much as you are? So what makes you so much better?
If that offends you, I hope this does too.
“Please accept with no obligation, implied or implicit my best wishes for an environmentally conscious, socially responsible, low stress, non-addictive, gender neutral, celebration of the winter solstice holiday, practiced within the most enjoyable traditions of the religious persuasion of your choice, or secular practices of your choice, with respect for the religious/secular persuasions and/or traditions of others, or their choice not to practice religious or secular traditions at all…
and a fiscally successful, personally fulfilling, and medically uncomplicated recognition of the onset of the generally accepted calendar year 2007, but not without due respect for the calendars of choice of other
cultures and without regard to the race, creed, color, age, physical ability, religious faith, choice of computer platform or sexual preference of the wishee.
(By accepting this greeting,
you are accepting these terms.
This greeting is subject to
clarification or withdrawal. It is freely
transferable with no alteration to the
original greeting. It implies no
promise by the wisher to actually
implement any of the wishes for
her/himself or others, and is
void where prohibited by law, and is
revocable at the sole discretion of
the wisher. This wish is warranted
to perform as expected within the
usual application of good tidings
for a period of one year, or until the
issuance of a subsequent holiday greeting,
whichever comes first, and warranty is
limited to replacement of this wish
or issuance of a new wish at the
sole discretion of the wisher.)”
GOD IS DEAD.
Christianity is still the largest religion, the liberals, homosexuals, and terrorist have made islamic moon worship the fastest growing lie.
You foret one hing: Most chridtians are only christians by word.
Only whites are decended from Adam and Eve, all other races are related to other animals, (blacks from monkeys, asians from rabbits, and in the case of arabs from a towel that has been used to clean up feces, etc) and thus have no souls.
So which part of the bible sates that crap? Oh, and where exactly does it state that Adam and Eve are white? Never found such a paragraph. Perhaps you should live some time in Mexico, let?Ǭ¨?Ǭ•s see how long it takes for your skin to have the same color as one of the “towel-heads”! Fact is, the differences of humans in different regions are a quite good example for adaption by evolution. But yeah, black people evolved from apes, just like anone else.
But hey, you call others Nazis and at the same time you have a rascist attitude Hitler would be proud of. Quite hipocritical, isn?Ǭ¨?Ǭ•t it?
Stay the course? Like the say, you can lead a kraut to the truth, but you can?¢‚Ǩ?°?É‚Äû?ɬ¥t make it think.
What?Ǭ¨?Ǭ•s that for an odd say? (ps: There?Ǭ¨?Ǭ•s a bigger per head consumption of kraut in the USA than in Germany. This makes that “kraut” bull**** quite satirical.) Although, I heard the muslims have a good say that would fit quite good to your little crusade in Iraq:
You can convert people by a sword, but the sword alone makes no true believer.
And heck, the only thing I said with that sentence was:
Celebrate what you want (Christmas, Kwanzaa, whatever) as long as you have a good time and some peace. Heck, that?Ǭ¨?Ǭ•s what christmas is about!
The German Guy
Happy Christmas/Holidays!
“Without Christ,Iraq has turned into a living hell.” According to census figures, there were over a million Christians in Iraq before the first Gulf War! The number has been dwindling due to Christians fleeing war-torn Iraq! The remaining Christians find few Christmas decorations in shops because of the ravages of the current war! It isn’t the lack of Christians causing the war,it’s the war causing the lack of Christians!
I really don’t care what religion you worship as long as it doesn’t harm other people. You could worship Bimbo the Flaming Flying Squirrel and as long as you didn’t bomb buildings or force other people to convert to your religion under pain of death I would be A-OK with it.
America was not founded by Christians - the majority of the founding fathers were deists; they believed that there was a supreme being who created the universe (it was most logical at the time) but they thought that Jesus being murdered for your sins was bull, and rightly so.
And worshipping mother earth as God makes you even more crazy than the Christians - but, hey, as long as you don’t harm anyone or force them to convert to your crazy beliefs, go ahead - freedom of religion.
I would encourage Christians to actually read their Bibles. Especially the parts where God murders people for no reason, or the parts about how you are supposed to sacrifice animals to God. Genesis is enough to prove the Babble is crap.
Much evidence suggests that if a man named Jesus existed he was not born on December 25th but sometime in September.
I do not like Christmas in its current form or “The Holidays” - its just an excuse for rabid consumerism.
As Ghandi said: I like your Christ. I don’t like your Christians.
The Christian God cannot exist. A perfect being cannot create an imperfect world; this alone defeats Christianity. Not to mention that a perfect being could not write an imperfect Bible, riddled with errors and contradictions. The Bible was obviously written by illiterate men, trying to make sense out of a harsh reality. And even if it was written by God, it has been translated so many times that it is undoubtedly not the original text - things have definently been altered along the way. Whether or not you believe it was altered by Satan or just a man.
Christianity will not last forever. It will morph into something else just like how sun worship morphed into Christianity, and it doesn’t matter as long as people are not forced to worship it.
A few other things:
George W. Bush is not a Christian. Unless masturbating a coffin at Yale is a Christly thing to do. He is a closet Satanist. But then I guess in some ways Satanism counts as Christianity, doesn’t it? You would have to believe in Christ before you could rebel against him. Not to mention George’s Skull and Bones membership or his stints at Bohemian Grove… but anyway…
Homosexuality is just as much of a disease as obesity.
Soybeans causing homosexuality? Would steroids cause you to become straight again?
No I don’t think homosexuals should be allowed to marry. But then I see nothing wrong with them being allowed to have civil unions and adoption. Everyone wins - the homosexuals get the equivalent of marriage with about biological reproduction and the bible thumpers have no reason to be offended - the gays are not getting married, they are entering civil unions.
The only difference between Republicans and Democrats is that Democrats openly say they are going to destroy the country - Republicans do what the Democrats say they are going to do, but hide behind a cloak of righteousness. It would be better for you to join a third party or not vote at all, then vote for a Republocrat. There is only one political party in the United States. For example - Republicans go to war with Iraq, we elect Democrats into Congress, Democrats say they will withdraw from I raq before election, when elected they suddenly turn around and support troop increases and a draft.
Another funny thing - people always make fun of other people for dodging the draft, when in reality, you would have to be BATS*** INSANE to sign up for our current military. I would rather go to prison or break my own arm than go into the meat grinder.
And, as Christians say ‘God bless you’, I feel obliged to end my post with an opportunity for you to discover the truth:
Post these links into your browser, watch the movies:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6495462761605341661&q=Martial+Law
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=786048453686176230&q=Terrorstorm
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-82095917705734983&q=Bohemian+Grove
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4312730277175242198&q=America+Freedom+to+Fascism
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7866929448192753501&q=Loose+Change
Draw your own conclusions…
*wades through the nutters*
Sorry I’m late……Merry Christmas to all at STR!
*sticks “Christmas Rapping” by The Waitresses on the i-Pod*
*goes back to getting sloshed*
The Craft of the Wise
The word Witchcraft comes from the Old Anglo-Saxon word wicce-craeft, meaning “the craft of the wise.” For many people today, the word carries a wide variety of connotations, but originally it was quite specific.
For thousands of years before Christianity, there were many variations of Pagan worship. In the big cities of Greek and Roman times, the forms of religion were well organized, with dedicated temples and an established priesthood. But out in the country areas, the common people did not have this luxery. They worshiped the same deities, but their temples were the woods, the mountains, and the open fields. They were close to nature and, by virtue of this closeness, felt close to their gods. Every man and woman was his or her own priest, able to commune with divinity on the same level as the official priesthood in the towns and the cities. Although the principle deities worshipped were the same in most areas, the names that were used frequently varied in different areas of Europe and Asia, with local titles and appellations prevailing.
The Rivalry of the New Religion
The rise of the new religion–Christianity–came to threaten and almost destroy the belief in, and worship of, the gods of nature. Unlike the “Old Religion” (as we might term Witchcraft), the “New Religion” was human-made and full of contradictions. Yet it became established and, for many hundreds of years, existed along side witchcraft. Initially Christianity was content to gain converts gradually, but, as we shall see, in time it became more impatient.
In Great Britian,when a king of a particular region was converted to the New Religion, it was declared by the church that ALL his subjects were also similarly affected, even though the majority of them were still worshipping the old gods.
Between 597 and 604 C.E. (Common Era), during Augustine’s mission to Britian, London remained Pagan but King Aethelbert of Kent was converted. After his death, Kent reverted to Paganism. In 604 C.E., similar events occured with the king of the East Saxons—the king was converted, but upon his death his successor reverted to Paganism. The years 627 and 628 C.E. saw the conversions of the kings of Northumbria and East Anglia, respectively. The king of Wessex was converted in 635 C.E., and in 653 C.E. the king of Mercia. But by 654 C.E., it was necessary to reconvert the king of the East Saxons. So there was not a regular, smooth transition from the Old Religion to the New. Far from it; what had been a part of everyone’s lifestyle for generations would not easily be swept aside.
In an effort to appeal more pagans, the New Religion adopted many of the ancient conventions. The Christian Trinity is a good example. This was based on the ancient Egyptian traid of Osiris, Isis, and Horus. The immaculate conception and the resurrection were copies of old Pagan Beliefs found in many parts of the ancient world. Even the name Jesus was taken from the Celts’ Esus, a nature god. The Pagan festival of Yule was also adopted as Christmas (even to the inclusion of the phallic tree). Easter was based on the goddess Eostre’s springtime festival. The festival tival of contact with the spirits of the dead, known as Samhain, became the Christian’s All Soul’s Day. And for many centuries there were priests who served both Pagan and Christian populations.
One giant step forward for the New religion came when Pope Gregory (590-604 C.E.) issued instructions to his bishops in Britian that they were to take all pagan temples and consecrate them to the New Religion, installing new altars and redirecting the temple On the open sites of regular pagan gatherings, new churches were to be built.
“In this way,” the pope said, “I hope the people (seeing their temples are not destroyed) will leave their idolatry and yet continue to frequent the places as formerly.” He desperately hoped to fool, or even coerce, the people into attending Christian churches.
For a long time, Gregory’s plans seemed to bear fruit, and more and more of the population became (at least normally) Christian. But finally, the saturation point appeared to have been reached. by this time, the church fathers had enjoyed their taste of power and were determined that Chritianity should be the ONLY religion; all others were to be destroyed. This brought about the start of the persecutions, when anything non-Christian was automatically labeled anti-Christian and therefore undesireable.
Survival of the Old Religion
Many of the old rites lived on, both in practice and in legend. In early spring, it was accepted magical practice for a farmer and his wife to lie in the first furrow of a field and have intercourse to ensure the field’s fertility and productivity. When the crops first began to appear, it was common for all to take up pitchforks, poles, and broomsticks and to dance around the fields, riding the poles like hobbyhorses. As they danced around the fields, the people would leap high into the air to show the crops how high to grow. It was simple imitative, or sympathetic, magic. At harvest time, of course, it was time to thank the gods for all that had been produced. Many Pagan rituals and customs such as these are still found across Europe and elsewhere.
In the villages were invariably found one or two “wise ones,” those who had the wisdom of herbs and magic. As the local doctors, they tended the sick with herbal concoctions, decoctions, infusions, and macerations. They also knew the spells and charms passed on from generation to generation. These “doctors” were known by the old Anglo-Saxon name of Wicce (feminine) or Wicca (masculine). (In fact, the Saxon kings of England always had a Council of the Wise Ones know as the Witan.)
When it came to worship of the old gods and the forms of the rituals, the wise ones conducted the rites. They became the priestsand the priestesses of the country side, leading groups from the villages or from neighboring farms in the major celebrations of the seasons. Later on, any followers of this Old Religion became known as Wiccans, or Witches.
The Old Religion Slandered
The Old Religion was lumped together with Satanism (which itself was an off-shoot of Christianity, for the older religions had no concept of an all-evil entity such as the Christian Devil). This was where the word Witchcraft began to take on a strongly negative meaning when used by people other than Wiccans themselves.
The wise ones, for example, had knowledge of poisons, among other things. This was essential in order for them to administer to those who accidently poisoned themselves by eating the wrong plants. Persecutors turned this knowledge against them, saying that they used the knowledge to poison others! In fact, King James I’s later translation of the Bible said, “Thou shalt not suffer a poisoner to live.” Jeames’ translators—whether by ignorance or design–confused the Latin words veneficor and maleficor and chose to say, “Thou shalt not suffer a Witch to live,” by virtue of her knowledge of poisons.
It didn’t take long for the trickle of venom generated by the Christian Church to swell into a raging torrent. In 1235, Pope Gregory IX instructed the archbishop of Sens: “Thou shouldst be instant and zealous in this matter of establishing an Inquisition…..to fight bodly the battles of the Lord.” Thirteen years later, Alexander IV issued papal bull against Witchcraft, with second one two years later. By the time Pope Innocent VIII issued his bull, in 1484, printing had been invented; with it came wide distribution of such utterances in writing. The Inquisition came into its own with the reappearance of this bull two years later, as a foreward to diabolical book written by two German monks, Heinrich Kramer and Jakob Sprenger.
The persecutions turned out to be a powerful tool for the unscrupulous. By making a charge of Witchcraft–or even suggesting someone might be a Witch–it was possible to get rid of an enemy, acquire land that was otherwise unavailable, or generate personal power in the Christian Religion. Persecution became very much a powerful tool. When someone was accussed of Witchcraft, his or her land and goods became forfeit to the state or church. This was great temtation for many, including Christian dignataries.
Once accussed, the victim had no defense. If the accussed had a perfect alibi, then “spectral evidence’ was admitted, which said that it was possible for a Witch to be in two places at the same time. Eventually, twenty people were put to death in this little New England Village. Still, this was a very small number compared to Europe, where two or three hundred people might be executed on a single occasion, simply at the nod of a bishop. In France, for example, the bishop of Treves had a whole village put to death because of an especially harsh winter, which he determined had been caused by Witches. Not knowing who the Witches were, he executed everyone. In Germany, on February 16, 1629, Prince-Bishop Philipp Adolf Von Ehrenberg executed 157 people, he was a Christian.
Wicca-
“An it harm none, do what thou wilt”
Throughout the time of religions, I have not read nor seen where any Wiccans have harmed another because of their religion of choice. The Christianity Religion has persecuted and executed a many of innocent people while thrusting their beliefs down others throats, in order to gain power and wealth for themselves, as other religions have done so as well……