Waterboarding ain’t no torture! Don’t believe the liberal lies!
Dear Friends
Waterboarding is not torture. It’s clearly uncomfortable but it is not torture by any definition. And even if it would be torture, why do liberals rather give up the freedom and safety of America just to prevent inflicting some pain on terrorists? I don’t get this.
Please listen to the following soundclip from the Mark Levin Radio Show:
Sound clip about waterboarding
If this doesn’t open your eyes, I really don’t know what will.
Thanks for reading,
Shelley N. Goodman
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“Waterboarding is not torture.”
Fuckwit, waterboarding is essentially drowing someone. Waterboarding is torture.
“why do liberals rather give up the freedom and safety of America just to prevent inflicting some pain on terrorists?”
Because waterboarding is a violation of international law, crude, cruel and unnecessary and by drowing someone your not helping your country either.
“but it is not torture by any definition.”
Where praytell did you get this definition that says that Waterboarding “ain’t” no tourture (it was almost painful typing ain’t).
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/torture
correcty me if I’m wrong but Waterboarding falls into number 4 causing Anguish the the mind/body.
“liberals rather give up the freedom and safety of America just to prevent inflicting some pain on terrorists?”
I don’t know about other liberals, but I would.
“Not going to hurt anybody” he says, Psychologically it can harm people. There are more than one kind of hurt. It is awful, I’ve seen Holocaust survivors that sit at a table calmly talking about the concentration camps, your telling me that isn’t bad???
“I wouldn’t want it to happen to me”
EXACTLY!!! Okay, remember the 3rd grade, just pretend for a second that you went through it, remember the “golden rule” do unto others as you would do unto yourself.
“Ted Kennedy invented it!”
–i do believe this is false, if i am correct it has been used as far back as the Spanish Inquisition
Waterboarding is a form of torture that consists of immobilizing a person on his or her back, with the head inclined downward, and pouring water over the face and into the breathing passages. Through forced suffocation and inhalation of water, the subject experiences the process of drowning in a controlled environment and is made to believe that death is imminent. Although waterboarding can be performed in ways that leave no lasting physical damage, it carries the risks of extreme pain, damage to the lungs, brain damage caused by oxygen deprivation, injuries (including broken bones) due to struggling against restraints, and even death. –Source: Wiki
thank you shelley goodman for taking the time to write articles that are worth my time reading, even if i may disagree with them
RAAINE,
you are most welcome. God bless you for reading!
Shelley N. Goodman
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Shame on you, a! How dare you putting this filthy link on our website???
@a,
This is the first time I have to agree with Shelley. That link is really disgusting and offensive. It’s not about Christians only - imagine for example Gandhi doll like that. That’s just not right.
@Journey To Truth
“Who, other than terrorists, deserves it more? Child abusers, serial killers and everyone who doesn?¢‚Ǩ‚Ñ¢t believe in it?¢‚Ǩ‚Ñ¢s use! Hate to admit - but, the pretend Republican is right on this one. Call it punishment and not torture- might do some good.”
Nobody deserves that. Do you think terrorists are bad because of their nature or religion? Who do you think made them that way? Maybe those who gave them proper training and weapons? People aren’t only bad or good.
@Journey to “Truth”, Cruel and unusual punishment is Unconstitutional! And waterboarding is an unreliable method of extracting a true confession! Some people will give false confessions if they know little or nothing and want the torture to cease! “If It Was Torture In Mississippi,Then It’s Definitely Torture,Right?” http://www.isthatlegal.org/archives/2007/11/if_it_was_tortu.html “Further On Up The Road” by William Norman Grigg http:freedominourtime.blogspot.com/2007/11/further-on-up-road.html
That last URL should be: http://freedominourtime.blogspot.com/2007/11/further-on-up-road.html
What do you suggest then? Hugs ‘n’ kisses? Flowers and candy? Guess what? Terrorists are only bad. Waterboarding is too good for ‘em. They deserve to be drawn and quartered and impaled on a rusty spike right up the pooper.
“Terrorists are only bad.”
Here is something for you to contomplate, Osama thinks of the US the way the US thinks of them. Hitler, Stalin, Osama, none of them think of themselves as *evil*. They are the same as the US, they think of themselves as liberating infidels (in Osama’s case anyhow). did you know that for what we spent in Iraq, we could have given every Iraqi a house, a car, and a million dollars. I personally think they’d be a little less apt to fight given that.
Well said, Journey to Truth. Link, people are judged on their actions, not what they think of themselves.
Hitler and Stalin were evil butchers of their own people. Osama funds and organizes terrorist attacks against innocent civilians. His followers who carry out attacks on innocents are evil.
If we’d given each Iraqi a gift basket as you suggest, Saddam would have just taken them away. He looted his own people for riches so he could live in palaces and build WMDs.
Why do you love tyrants and terrorists?
I can’t believe you’re even trying to argue the point!
“Link, people are judged on their actions, not what they think of themselves.”
You missed the entire point. From their point of view the US LOOKS EVIL!!! They attacked the US, but then the US goes over and bombs the hell out of them. Retaliation or not, that makes the US look evil.
“If we?¢‚Ǩ‚Ñ¢d given each Iraqi a gift basket as you suggest, Saddam would have just taken them away.”
I don’t disagree that Saddam needed to be taken off power, but blowing up half the country to get to him was the wrong way to go about it. Also the US has to stop trying to *undo* it’s mistakes and just freaking admit it made a mistake. It was the US that put Saddam in power to stop the Russians from invading the middle east. Learn some damned history and you’ll see why I am the way I am. The US also helped create a fighting force and armed them to fight the Russians and guess what that group became: Al Queada!!! This was on the Republicans office that all this happened you pin head, to technically, this is all *YOUR* fault.
“Why do you love tyrants and terrorists?”
I don’t love Tyrants like Bush, that’s for sure. As for terrorists, there are better ways to deal with them than shooting at anybody you suspect may be one.
“Hitler and Stalin were evil butchers of their own people.”
Hitler did not butcher his own people, he was trying to build a “master race” which doesn’t sound all that different from the type of Government you seem to support.
“He looted his own people for riches so he could live in palaces and build WMDs.”
Yes he did loot people, but not his own sect, that’s my point. On and those WMD’s, still waiting to see proof of them.
“His followers who carry out attacks on innocents are evil.”
You have to quite putting all people in one group God damn it. His “followers” where more than likely threatened with a hole in the head themselves unless their orders where taken care of.
@Journey to Truth, “NEVER FORGET WHAT SADDAM WAS CAPABLE OF!” Fighting the Iran/Iraq War to a draw? And it only took him 8 years to accomplish it! Of course,that was before OPERATION DESERT SCAM 1(The US government had April Glaspie sucker him into thinkng the US didn’t care if Iraq invaded Kuwait over their stealing Iraq’s oil through slant drilling!) and DESERT SCAM 2! After DESERT SCAM 1,he was left with a seriously weakened defense force and a ruined infrastructure to rebuild which was severely destroyed again in DESERT SCAM 2! “Bring down Armegeddon” my eye! He had no nukes! And where the hell is that massive arsenal of WMDs? If Iraq had them,why didn’t they use them? If Saddam was such a threat and didn’t fear death,why did he hide out until he was caught? He was a petty tyrant who had his hands full going after his political enemies in Iraq! He wasn’t a “big,bad threat” to the world and now Iraq is a worse mess than it was when he was in power!
what truly is a WMD? a nuclear weapon? or an AK-47?
just the AK-47 itself has probably killed more than nuclear explosions have
In what Mideast nation is there evidence of said nation amassing a large stockpile of weapons of mass destruction? What Mideast nation forbids weapons inspectors investigating and gets away with it? Israel! What nation has the largest(and growing) stocks of chemical,biological and nuclear weapons in the world? The USA! HELL NO I DON’T NEED WEAPONS THAT MAY KILL MILLIONS AT A TIME! The question is,who actually has ample, viable arsenals of said weapons! http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/archives/cat_wmds.html
“Damned! Abbie CockMan is a conspiracy nutjob! Filthy anti-semitic shit- go puke on your own doorstep.”
You know what Lynn, I have a little taste of reality for you….. Your an idiot. Take that to heart and go emo cutter over it.
@Lynn Long, I’m a racist? You support genocide of Arabs and Muslims! You’ve argued for gunning down illegal aliens! I’ve got nothing against Jews, I’m opposed to racist Zionist supremacists, whether “Jewish” or “Christian”! Are Jews Against Zionism http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com anti-semites too? And http://www.israelversusjudaism.org and http://www.nkusa.org And was Watergate not a political conspiracy, but a fairy-tale made up by Democrats? And Iran-Contra too? People go to prison for criminal conspiracies all the time! Are judges and juries who convict people of criminal conspiracy all “tin-foil hat wearing conspiracy nuts”? Any political assassination such as Bhutto’s that is planned and/or executed by two or more people is a political conspiracy! The official version of the events of 9/11 was the US government’s conspiracy theory! Not every story of a political conspiracy is true, but that doesn’t mean all political conspiracies are fiction!
BULLSHIT! You haven’t called for gunning down Mexican illegals LATELY! Next you’ll be denying you ever spouted your paranoid conspiracy theory about Muslims plotting to take over the USA! And BUSH’S WAR OF TERRORISM IS GENOCIDE! Most of the propaganda and disinformation coming from establishment politicians and media that passes for news is BULLSHIT! And if you’re moronic enough to believe every official lie of the neo-cons and their lackeys, then you’re the one who’s simple-minded! I pointed out that a lot of conspiracy stories are untrue! i don’t believe everything I read on the What Really Happened website or anywhere else! Poor research, profiteering bullshit artists and disinformation experts are about as plentiful as official liars! But you’re convinced of whatever crap they tell you to think on Fox News or some other neo-con propaganda outlet! And linking to a page on a website doesn’t “prove” I hate Jews, when I don’t! Nor does criticizing government corruption “prove” I hate America, when I don’t! That’s like saying if I quote the ten planks from the Communist Manifesto, I must be a communist, when I’m not! Or if you posted a link to http://www.kurtsaxon.com specifically onto his web page criticizing conspiraciesand calling those who believe they exist “America haters” in your comments, that “proves” you’re an atheist, because he is! Or that you believe in eugenics, because he does! He does have good info on survivalism though in his Survivor books, I’ll admit at least he has some worthwhile material!
@Lynn Long, Maybe,just maybe there was another Lynn Long, aged 67, who posted a comment about shooting Mexican illegals on STR months ago that I have mistaken for you. I’m going from memory. I distinctly remember he called me “Akkie Baufman”, he claimed to have family members in the KKK and he made threatening remarks at others And maybe someone else had the conspiracy theory about a Muslim takeover of the US and I incorrectly remember who made that comment. Guess I should dig through the archives back many months ago to find said comments. If it wasn’t you, I apologize. Anyway, why should I only post links to things I agree with 100%? Just because some people can’t think for themselves and draw their own conclusions through researching the facts? I believe in thinking for myself, so it would be hard to post only comments from anyone I agree with on everything! For example, I don’t agree with Devvy Kidd when she takes a fundamentalist slant on some issues but she brings up valid points sometimes as in this article about false conspiracy theories: “Conspiracy Addicts and the Little Boy Who Cried Wolf” http://www.devvy.com/conspiracy_19991106.html Or this article from a website with opinions mostly from anarcho-capitalists(Which I’m not one and disagree with on some issues.) but also presents other viewpoints: “Top Ten Reasons for a New 9/11 Investigation” By Glenn Allport http://www.strike-the-root.com/72/allport/allport11.html And quoting things I don’t believe in depends on context! My example of quoting the ten planks of the Communist Manifesto could be to point out how elements of the planks have been embraced by the federal government to a significant degree! http://www.buildfreedom.com/tl/wua11.shtml
@Lynn Long, On July 9th, 2007, On the STR post entitled: “Immigration’s the Problem, What’s the Solution?” A person going by the name of Lynn Long said, “Shoot a SPIC a day for the sake of your country.” And on July 12th, 2007 On a post entitled: “Briefly Patriotic: A Heartwarming Retard Story”, a Lynn Long said, “High Genius GW BUSH AND DICK CHENEY” Is this another “Lynn Long” who calls for gunning down Mexicans and praises Bush as a genius? If so, well excuse me for being confused!
@Lynn Long, I don’t consider myself a “Ron Paul fruitcake” I don’t think Ron Paul will “magically save” America, but he might slow down temporarily the coming major financial ruin and total loss of liberty in this country, IF he becomes President (That doesn’t look too promising between the mainstream media ignoring or smearing him! And Diebold voting machines that can rig the votes!) and IF he doesn’t get assassinated! As a small “l” libertarian/minarchist(minimal government) with a onspiratorial view of history and current events, I too hate political agendas but view them in a different context. The rest of the Republican candidates and the Democrats look like variations of big government control freaks to me but Ron Paul doesn’t. I don’t see a third party getting into the White House any time soon, so what’s left? I don’t have the magic answers, just the questions! I question authority and what I’m being told! And I believe what the “experts” and authorities proclaim to be highly questionable! PS, I’m sorry but I did take you seriously about gunning down “SPICS”! PPS, I have a post waiting moderation, so it will have some remarks that are not in context to this and my previously posted remarks.
@Lynn Long, INNOCENT CIVILIANS, WOMEN AND BABIES AREN’T TERRORISTS! GENOCIDE IS THE MASS SLAUGHTER OF INNOCENT CIVILIANS! IT’S TERRORISM BY THE STATE! Get off your self-righteous high horse demonizing all Muslims and Arabs as terrorists while claimng that anyone who criticizes violent radical racist Zionism is a Jew hater! Not all Zionists are Jews and not all Jews are Zionists!
@Abbie I do support your way of thinking but I thinks that your fighting an uphill battle with Lynn and Journey to Truth (aka the same person). I’d just let Lynn stay in his parent basement and live his own sad little life. His mind is clearly more jumbled than the UI on Trend Micros security suite.
The following article is about Israeli Jews against the racist policies of the Zionist government in Israel: “Sons and Heroes of Judaism- The Tide Turns Against Holy Land Apartheid” http://www.mediamonitors.net/mosaddeq30.html The term “Islamofascism” as far as I’m concerned, only applies accurately to nationalistic, militaristic organizations such as the Kosovo Liberation Army. This gang of mass-murdering thugs received support by the Clinton Administration and Nato during their genocidal (bombing innocent civilians) sham of a “noble cause” against the Serbs over their alleged campaign of “ethnic cleansing” in the Balkans! As far as I know, Carter doesn’t support Ron Paul. My opinions aren’t based on anything Carter or Dr. Paul said about Israel, I researched and drew my own conclusions. And I blew up over your remark “genocide of terrorists” Maybe you meant it as a sick joke but it’s not the least bit funny to me!
@Lynn Long, You’re quoting David Horrorwitz? That former Trotskyite turned neo-con fascist slandering liar ? “Taki’s Top Drawer” http://www.takimag.com/blogs/article/david_horowitz_caught_in_a_lie “David Horowitz Slanders Ron Paul, Iraq Vets” http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/016117.html
@Lynn Long, Ron Paul has never taken an Anti-zionist position. He has argued instead that all foreign interventionism and foreign aid should end everywhere in the Middle East,etc.period! “An Open Letter to the Jewish Community On Behalf of Ron Paul” http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig9/cohen1.html Personally, I have no objections to the State of Israel’s existence, but only if it makes a real effort to peacefully co-exist! Here are the facts about Israel and the Palestinians: http://www.ifamericansknew.org